thesweetcheat
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Re: Britain Begins - Barry Cunliffe
Dec 29, 2012, 12:58
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It sounds as though an up to date book or paper refuting the Oppenheimer findings is needed. Anything you could recommend for the general reader (apologies if you've mentioned such a thing elsewhere)?
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tiompan
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Re: Britain Begins - Barry Cunliffe
Dec 29, 2012, 13:32
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thesweetcheat wrote: It sounds as though an up to date book or paper refuting the Oppenheimer findings is needed. Anything you could recommend for the general reader (apologies if you've mentioned such a thing elsewhere)?
I've mentioned this a couple of times ,it's 5 years old ,a long time ago in this game but still relevant and not too technical .
http://www.jogg.info/32/campbell.htm
Oppenheimer and Sykes are rarely mentioned these days ,unless it's in negative terms about the early days of the research . Because of the rate of change in info books are few and far between, part of the problem with O and S was that as soon their books were out papers had refuted them with new info . O and S could be likened to early antiquarians attempting to date monuments and coming up with druid altars and Mycenaean temples , possibly a bit extreme but you get the idea .
It's nearly all papers, the archaeo stuff is limited but, the snippets keep coming . The amateur experts are also providing important findings , this is due to punters getting their DNA done and investigating similar findings to their own with the freely available info on genome sequences , which has resulted in new discoveries of branches of particular haplotypes that would have usually been the work of the pros .
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Deconstructing Oppenheimer
Dec 29, 2012, 13:44
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It's fascinating, I've read the linked article now, but admit that I don't understand enough about genetics in the first place to really get to grips with this. Maybe I should stick to piles of stones in fields!
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tiompan
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Re: Deconstructing Oppenheimer
Dec 29, 2012, 14:27
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Yep mibbe too technical , might explain why there were no takers the previous couple of times .If you think Atkinson gets a hard time on archaeo forums here's a genie equivalent .
http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum/index.php?topic=10892.100
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tjj
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Re: Britain Begins - Barry Cunliffe
Dec 29, 2012, 15:33
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tiompan wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: It sounds as though an up to date book or paper refuting the Oppenheimer findings is needed. Anything you could recommend for the general reader (apologies if you've mentioned such a thing elsewhere)?
I've mentioned this a couple of times ,it's 5 years old ,a long time ago in this game but still relevant and not too technical .
http://www.jogg.info/32/campbell.htm
Oppenheimer and Sykes are rarely mentioned these days ,unless it's in negative terms about the early days of the research . Because of the rate of change in info books are few and far between, part of the problem with O and S was that as soon their books were out papers had refuted them with new info . O and S could be likened to early antiquarians attempting to date monuments and coming up with druid altars and Mycenaean temples , possibly a bit extreme but you get the idea .
It's nearly all papers, the archaeo stuff is limited but, the snippets keep coming . The amateur experts are also providing important findings , this is due to punters getting their DNA done and investigating similar findings to their own with the freely available info on genome sequences , which has resulted in new discoveries of branches of particular haplotypes that would have usually been the work of the pros .
Very helpful! Thanks T, its a shame this doesn't have its own discussion thread though. I actually have Stephen Oppenheimer's 'Out of Eden' on extended loan from the library. Was saving it until I had more time to sit down and read it properly - will now do so with some reservation. I'd love to own the Barry Cunliffe book as, since seeing his work at Danebury, have the greatest respect for him as an archaeologist.
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Britain Begins - Barry Cunliffe
Dec 29, 2012, 15:55
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tjj wrote: I'd love to own the Barry Cunliffe book as, since seeing his work at Danebury, have the greatest respect for him as an archaeologist.
I think it will be worth the read, as Tiompan says, the genetics aspect is very small as a percentage of the overall book and there's no doubting the author's expertise in more "pure" archaeology terms, especially on the Iron Age. Lovely picture of Castlerigg on the cover too :-)
It found its way into my Christmas stocking, so didn't have to fork out myself, but it's pretty reasonably priced for what it is. Can be found for under £20.00 on-line.
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Deconstructing Oppenheimer
Dec 29, 2012, 15:57
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Be interesting to see where this pitches itself:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-British-A-Genetic-Journey/dp/1780270755/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=EQ2J4PXAEWSI&coliid=I15IUUM97KT7W9
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tiompan
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Re: Deconstructing Oppenheimer
Dec 29, 2012, 16:06
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thesweetcheat wrote:
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tiompan
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Re: Deconstructing Oppenheimer
Dec 29, 2012, 16:06
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thesweetcheat wrote:
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tiompan
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Re: Deconstructing Oppenheimer
Dec 29, 2012, 16:10
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tiompan wrote:
ooops .
Their previous about the Scots was good on local genetics anf poor on archaeology so they got it right . Wilson is a real geneticist and much of the info is related to what has come through his lab , he tends to keep his findings to himself and his papers are more on health issues rather than archaeo genetics .
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