jonmor
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Re: Julian Richards gives his view on the tunnel
Feb 22, 2017, 14:44
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tiompan wrote: Decisions are taken based on subjective comparisons but there is no agreed method .
That's right George. If there were a standardized method (based on similar methods used elsewhere) that everyone could get behind, we would not be having this conversation.
You're back on form with the rest. I'll look at it again next week.
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nigelswift
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Re: Julian Richards gives his view on the tunnel
Feb 22, 2017, 14:58
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jonmor wrote: nigelswift wrote:
Good luck with producing a common unit of comparison out of that lot!
You may be right: It may not be worth the effort of putting in a holding set of arguments in the current consultation. I'll take a look at it next week.
I AM right!
I spent 27 years producing a house valuation system which applied an adjusted common unit of comparison. But houses, unlike heritage, are very clearly financial assets so the unit was pounds per adjusted unit obviously. To have tried to do that to a heritage asset using an "intellectual appreciation" unit of comparison would be just silly.
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nigelswift
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Re: Julian Richards gives his view on the tunnel
Feb 22, 2017, 15:01
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If there were a standardized method (based on similar methods used elsewhere) that everyone could get behind.....
But there can't ever be one (see my post above about houses).
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jonmor
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Re: Julian Richards gives his view on the tunnel
Feb 22, 2017, 15:23
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nigelswift wrote:
I AM right!
I spent 27 years producing a house valuation system which applied an adjusted common unit of comparison. But houses, unlike heritage, are very clearly financial assets so the unit was pounds per adjusted unit obviously. To have tried to do that to a heritage asset using an "intellectual appreciation" unit of comparison would be just silly.
Fair enough Nigel. The phrase "intellectual appreciation" isn't one that I would use. I'll take a look at it next week. If your view is right, it may be worth asking for clarification of how archaeological value was derived by the Atkins submission: There are significant quantifiable environmental benefits to some of the other options.
Tata for now and maybe chat about it next week?
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nigelswift
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Re: Julian Richards gives his view on the tunnel
Feb 22, 2017, 15:46
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jonmor wrote: There are significant quantifiable environmental benefits to some of the other options.
There are indeed. And they can be measured in money. But heritage can't. (Except in tourist pounds and if you do that you are no longer measuring heritage value you are measuring tourism and have removed heritage value from the decision making process. Which is Govt. philistinism, to be guarded against on TMA!)
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Howburn Digger
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Re: Julian Richards gives his view on the tunnel
Feb 22, 2017, 16:08
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tiompan wrote: You have yet to provide any examples whereby anyone can actually quantify the values . Decisions are taken based on subjective comparisons but there is no agreed method .
Benjamin Harrison odiously suggested two black slaves should be considered the equivalent of one white labourer , when it came to wealth production , he didn't have a problem with method . The vast majority of us do . Does 90 minutes of watching Lionel Messi provide greater nourishment for our souls than the local parish community singing of "Amazing Grace " , or does contemplation of a flat field containing a BA linear cemetery trump Fermat's last theorem ?
This got a bit buries in the thread but I nearly cprayed my Mumtaz and lemon Rice across the room as the "news" item/ story was played out last night.
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I just watched two "Heritage" Professionals on Reporting Scotland explaining how exciting it is going to be... to go to the enormous expense of pulling down an area of Perth to look for the grave of James 1st. It will apparently be justified by the resulting tourism boost to the area which will apparently be akin to the tourism boost and the bouncing economic extravaganza enjoyed by Leicester following the reburial of the scoliotic car-park attendant/ occupant Richard III. The people of Leicester and its visitors as we all know are Living The Dream since Richard III got re-planted there. Perth is planning to build a Visitor Centre with a virtual reality image of the site of the Blackfriars Monastery where the King was killed and buried in Feb 1437 (the site is currently home to a thriving pub). I'm already getting boned-up at the thought of the whole thing. I don't think you will be able to keep me away.
Value? "Heritage Development Opportunity" or is it really "The Desperation Of Perth"?
I know!.... What about a tunnel!!!??? Would a road tunnel which went from Scone Palace under The Tay to The Inches avoiding all the Roman Camps and the Roman Fort at Bertha, the old St John's Toun wall (which Cromwell tore mostly down) and Willie Soutar's House really help this shitstorm? Or should the tunnel be built from Inchyra to Carpow instead, thus preserving the whole Central Perth site for the James 1st Development but incurring the wrath of enthusiasts of the Campaigns of Septimus Severus? It is hard to know which sinking ship to jump on to ride out the Corryvreckan of Heritage Diahorrea.
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tiompan
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Re: Julian Richards gives his view on the tunnel
Feb 22, 2017, 16:30
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If they get the bones , will it provide further evidence of the illegitimacy of the "blood line " , as did Richard's ?
Or will it be trumped by another St Johnstone Scottish cup victory in 2018 or maybe taking in the view of Kinnoull Hill across the Tay from Tarsappie whilst consuming a mars bar supper beats them all .
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Howburn Digger
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Re: Julian Richards gives his view on the tunnel
Feb 22, 2017, 21:46
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tiompan wrote: If they get the bones , will it provide further evidence of the illegitimacy of the "blood line " , as did Richard's ?
Or will it be trumped by another St Johnstone Scottish cup victory in 2018 or maybe taking in the view of Kinnoull Hill across the Tay from Tarsappie whilst consuming a mars bar supper beats them all .
A flask of coffee (and some pancakes with Jam, hame-made wae Arbuckles fruit) while taking in the view from the top at Tullybaccart also takes some beating. But it doth profit no heritage professional, nor any infrastructure contractors.
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tiompan
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Re: Julian Richards gives his view on the tunnel
Feb 23, 2017, 16:20
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Should be fine view the morn .
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Highways England Consultation - A303/Stonehenge
Feb 24, 2017, 18:40
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New piece from Dan Hicks:
https://www.apollo-magazine.com/englands-heritage-bodies-supporting-stonehenge-bypass/
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