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Howburn Digger
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Re: Delusion, hope or a lie?
Aug 09, 2017, 14:41
Locodogz wrote:


"Whatever your trade is - if they want it in Europe they will have you. If they dont then they wont. It is a job marketplace. Have fun. No-one gets a free ticket to an international career in whatever... I'm afraid."

IMHO opinion you're missing the point here. Indeed, as things stand this is the case in Europe (because of our EU membership) i.e. if an employer wants you they will have you. Post Brexit there will almost certainly be (politically led) restrictions on this because it represents the freedom of movement, freedom to work that many Brexiteers intrinsically want to stop.
I have family in the states. One of them owns a company that I would be eminently capable of working for and he would happily have offered me a job in my younger years...were it not for US Government legislation i.e. my need to qualify for a green card, which as a non-American, would have required me to demonstrate why no US citizen could do the job (which to be honest just wasn't the case. Ergo not a case of 'if they want you, they will have you' - and something that structurally I think will be heading Europe's way.


"But being a false set of data it negates its own self. A bit like parading "2 + 2 = 17 so let's declare war on Iraq" or something on the side of a bus. "

The point that I was (maybe poorly and slightly flippantly, I'll admit) trying to make was that whether it was 1 in 4 or 1 in 40 women being subjected to violence - doesn't diminish the validity of the zero tolerance message. Now obviously if it was an outright lie - and no women were ever the subject of domestic violence - that would be a somewhat different conversation.

Anyway I look forward to your response and, indeed, sincerely hope that you're right about it being as easy for me to work in Europe post Brexit as it currently is. Unfortunately I just don't think that'll be the case. But hey - it's the future and none of us can really know - so we'll just have to see I guess

Then you wouldn't qualify for a Green Card to go and live and work in America like you say for the reasons you state. I don't know what point you are trying to make. If a European Company in a different country doesn't want to employ you either (pre or post Brexit) then you wont get that job either. I have never said getting jobs abroad and moving to a different country was easy.

As for your flippant comment regarding violence towards women. You seem to be wriggling on your own hook by suggesting that "a different conversation would take place" if "no women were ever the subject of domestic violence". Talk about ignoring the point by suggesting an Alternate Universe and proposing a new conversation. I have pointed out that false statistics are not worthy of any form of consideration whether painted on the side of a bus or written on paper. They harm real debate and mask the motives of those who seek to manipulate statistics for their own shabby ends.
It is interesting to watch this professional feminist victim being completely unable to justify her self-justifying "work", her manipulation of false statistics, her layers of supposition and myth-making etc.

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