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HI DEN 814 posts |
Edited May 28, 2013, 17:33
May 28, 2013, 17:30
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Still waiting for my copy to arrive to these northern longitudes... The anticipation keeps on accumulating while reading these 'reviews' and (especially) all the whining. (Of course each to their own tastes etc.. Which i respect. At least sorta... Hahahaha). But seriously, i find it quite interesting that on a Julian Cope site his "fans" couldn't be further removed from his trip it seems. No understanding, no compassion, no humour!!! (people just seem to complain when their personal addictions are not catered...). That's a sign of a truly Forward Thinking Motherfucker!
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billding68 1016 posts |
May 28, 2013, 18:15
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Sorry but a crap album is a crap album.doesnt matter if its your "heros" or not.i dont see any issue with calling someone out on something you paid good money for that is sub par.
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited May 28, 2013, 19:18
May 28, 2013, 18:59
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billding68 wrote: Sorry but a crap album is a crap album.doesnt matter if its your "heros" or not.i dont see any issue with calling someone out on something you paid good money for that is sub par. I thought my-rock-star-right-or-wrong was exactly what Unsung wasn't supposed to be about. Odin still my #1 Cope album followed closely by Love Peace & Fuck so it is not like I am after Post Punker certainties but it has all got unsatisfyingly slapdash recently. Woden probably did for this particular camel. That and the gun play and the stab vests. When it comes to dressing-up-the-statement the Potemkin Village People are not in the same league as Public Enemy doing Radio City Music Hall in navy whites. Or Kiss.
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IanB 6761 posts |
May 28, 2013, 19:15
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keith a wrote: IanB wrote: Pilgrim wrote: "I’m an experimental artist, and true experimental art should be rendered obsolete by what comes next." I have spent a fair bit of listening time the last six years trying to unlock these Problem/Black Sheep era Cope records. Over the same period I have hardly played anything from the back catalogue apart from a few spins of Jehovahkill and Odin. Every time I think of playing him I reach for one of the new ones. And that's how they have come to be a distraction from other better things. At 21 or 31 or even 41 I wouldn't have cared. At 51? Fuck me listening time feels so much more precious. A lot of the recent Copes have an oh-this-will-do slapdash feel to them and Kings of the Wild Frontier has as much to say politically. There is nothing much there that has stuck with me over time or even made me laugh on a second listen. And the metaphysics have gone (for a long walk) west too. Not that I expect any kind of new ground to be broken in rock n roll but I want more - more than this at any rate - if it is going to take me away from other things. So there's my problem with these records in a nutshell - there is nothing experimental about them and at the same time the quality of writing, playing, tunesmithery and production is all fairly C+ too. I don't "do" lo-fi except when a function of poverty. I think that, as rock aesthetics go, lo-fi as a style represents a major cop-out. Just like rock co-opting the sounds of the avant garde, it's often a veil over weak ideas. Listen to anything from the last six years next to World War Pigs or Crying Shame and I think it is fair to say that there has been a shift in the benchmark and it hasn't been for the better. Pamphleteering at best. As a general rule I think all Cope's 'proper' (the song ones, under his own name) from Rome... onwards sound better when you go back to them a year or so after their release. With the exception of Black Sheep which I thought was, for the most part, stunning pretty much from day one. That's what I have been hoping and why I keep going back to them. Unruly Imagination was the one that I liked the best. Don't find myself whistling much from it in the street though!
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Squid Tempest 8761 posts |
May 28, 2013, 19:20
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HI DEN wrote: Still waiting for my copy to arrive to these northern longitudes... The anticipation keeps on accumulating while reading these 'reviews' and (especially) all the whining. (Of course each to their own tastes etc.. Which i respect. At least sorta... Hahahaha). But seriously, i find it quite interesting that on a Julian Cope site his "fans" couldn't be further removed from his trip it seems. No understanding, no compassion, no humour!!! (people just seem to complain when their personal addictions are not catered...). That's a sign of a truly Forward Thinking Motherfucker! Not whining, just haven't enjoyed the recent releases enough to invest in another along the same lines. Diminishing returns and all that. And what, after all, is a "fan" anyway? A sycophant who says they love everything by an artist no matter if they hate it or not? I'm sure Julian wouldn't want that. Does that make me lacking in understanding, compassion and humour? Gosh.
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
May 28, 2013, 19:31
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Squid Tempest wrote: HI DEN wrote: Still waiting for my copy to arrive to these northern longitudes... The anticipation keeps on accumulating while reading these 'reviews' and (especially) all the whining. (Of course each to their own tastes etc.. Which i respect. At least sorta... Hahahaha). But seriously, i find it quite interesting that on a Julian Cope site his "fans" couldn't be further removed from his trip it seems. No understanding, no compassion, no humour!!! (people just seem to complain when their personal addictions are not catered...). That's a sign of a truly Forward Thinking Motherfucker! Not whining, just haven't enjoyed the recent releases enough to invest in another along the same lines. Diminishing returns and all that. And what, after all, is a "fan" anyway? A sycophant who says they love everything by an artist no matter if they hate it or not? I'm sure Julian wouldn't want that. Does that make me lacking in understanding, compassion and humour? Gosh. Agreed, to an extent. See, I really liked "Black Sheep" - it did more for me than any Cope album since "Jehovahkill", let alone "Interpreter" (a release which I always found quite ropey, but which a lot of old school fans seem to regard as his last great achievement). "Psychedelic Revolution" was distinctly meh - more of the same, only less so if that makes sense. As you say, diminishing returns. Judging by both the album title and the reactions here "Revolutionary Suicide" seems to be represent instalment no.3 of the same phase, so I'm anticipating the returns to be diminished even further, to the point where I probably won't buy it. For me, if an artist releases two dud albums in a row, I generally stop buying their records unless they do something fairly drastic to convince me they've rediscovered the muse again (which has happened on several occasions, admittedly). There's just too much good stuff being relesed at the moment for brand loyalty to guide my listening habits.
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
May 28, 2013, 20:53
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Julians 'trips' are always changing, as his recording history shows very much, I've not particularly enjoyed an album since Rome. There's been a few great songs here and there but not great albums imo. I've said before I'm not convinced about all this revolution banter, gun toting etc, I thought Psy Rev was a terrible album apart from a couple of songs, the lyrics, for me, were just immature and needless for the most part. It took me a log time to get round to buying it as I kind of knew what to expect and got what I expected. I'll probably buy the new one and call it a day after that. For me if an artist's not doing anything I'm interested in then there's not much purpose in following that artist.
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billding68 1016 posts |
May 28, 2013, 21:12
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Wow I thought I'd get ripped for not loving every dogfart album Julian puts out.Guess im not the only one tired of the faux revolution nonsense.Still love a lot of his albums but not so much for quite some time to be honest.
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keith a 9572 posts |
May 28, 2013, 21:51
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First listen...not vintage Cope but has its moments. I'd rather be with it than without it.
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riverman 845 posts |
May 28, 2013, 22:09
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Well for what it's worth here's my view. I wasn't too impressed on first listen but it arrived the day I was heading to Paris on an overnight coach trip and I pretty much listened to it non-stop - in sections first e.g. Disc 1, or the second half of Disc 2... I'd drift in and out of sleep... returning to the album at different points. And I've come to the following conclusions: 1) It's an album of Cope's poetry set to music, a clue being the booklet poems listed on the back alongside the tracks. The Armenian Genocide is almost prose - but made more rhythmic and poetic by repetition of certain phrases...but the music is seemingly subservient to the words. The whole of Disc 1 is understated, pastoral, repetitious... but that is it's strength in combination with the lyrics. 2) Following on from the point above, the album is pretty experimental all round e.g. the pastoral, poetic Disc 1... or the Disc 2 tracks 'They were all on hard drugs' or 'Destroy religion'. It is not a casual listen, as Cope wrote of Haare in one of my favourite Copendium reviews. Again, one of it's strengths. 3) Is Cope one of the best players of mellotron around? There are lovely understated touches in places, especially disc 1, but then used to the fore on 'In His Cups'. Is there a more beautiful and uplifting Cope track than this both lyrically and musically? And I'll leave it at that for now.
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