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stray
stray
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Re: Bowie, genius or not...
Jul 28, 2010, 12:48
er a better link for videos

http://www.ableton.com/pages/movies/archive/tutorials
Squid Tempest
Squid Tempest
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Re: Bowie, genius or not...
Jul 28, 2010, 13:31
cheers Stray. I won't be able to try it out for a while for a couple of reasons, one of which is my music PC is under repair at the moment. Gotta be worth a look though.
Toni Torino
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Re: Bowie, genius or not...
Jul 28, 2010, 13:32
He was once a genius but isn't now. Can that be? Can a genius stop being a genius? With creative geniuses, I suppose. The Arts are soooo subjective, aren't they?
stray
stray
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Re: Bowie, genius or not...
Jul 28, 2010, 13:44
Cool. I'll be interested to know/hear what you do with it. It's not without its limitations, although clips are, well, clips it is so drastically a different method of writing music it's worth giving a go on that basis alone. I record clips, loop and move on while dropping pre recorded samples, and mix/produce Anna live in a way I just can't with anything else.

Although a lot of the tutorials seem to focus on the arrangement view (time line) I personally rarely do any work in that view at all. I do occasionally export tracks, scenes and takes into Sonar for the production side of things (got to love those 64 bit transient processors and such). However the composition itself is completed in Ableton, by pressing record, then firing off clips, takes, playing my keyboard and twiddling a lot of midi mapped controllers. So I do the whole thing in the scene view basically. But that suits Anna & I well, and it means we have exactly the same flexibility when we perform live cos well, its no different to how we record. Most importantly we can make decisions and completely change the composition as we play. It may not suit everyone, in fact I know other people who really can't fit the way the way they work into Ableton at all.

Arguably, for a solo improv performer you may find using a sequencer like a tape recorder is still a more profitable approach. But its worth giving a whirl just to see how it changes the way you compose, overdub and generally arrange.
Lord Lucan
Lord Lucan
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Re: Bowie, genius or not...
Jul 28, 2010, 13:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3g2aW7jfg8

I rest my case.
























(Apologies to those who've seen this hundreds of times before. I couldn't resist. Any excuse.)
Kid Calamity
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Re: Bowie, genius or not...
Jul 28, 2010, 13:51
Lord Lucan wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3g2aW7jfg8

I rest my case.

(Apologies to those who've seen this hundreds of times before. I couldn't resist. Any excuse.)


Addressing the balance, I think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-wvgmZxbe8

For every 'Laughing Gnome', there's a "Heroes". He created such a varied body of work I defy anyone to lump all of it into one pigeonhole.
Carlos
Carlos
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Re: Bowie, genius or not...
Jul 28, 2010, 13:56
Nice text, my friend!
Squid Tempest
Squid Tempest
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Edited Jul 28, 2010, 14:00
Re: Bowie, genius or not...
Jul 28, 2010, 13:59
stray wrote:
Arguably, for a solo improv performer you may find using a sequencer like a tape recorder is still a more profitable approach.


I suspect that may well be the case, particularly as Cubase is now pretty much part of my DNA I've used it for so long. I don't always use it in the "usual" way though - I often don't synch to the timeline frinstance.

Am I right in thinking that Ableton is good for controlling synths and patch management etc? That would certainly be handy for me in a live setting.

stray wrote:
But its worth giving a whirl just to see how it changes the way you compose, overdub and generally arrange.


Definitiely.
Carlos
Carlos
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Re: Bowie, genius or not...
Jul 28, 2010, 14:01
That's not fair, Lord!

"Lord, lord, my prayer flies like a word on a wing"
Lord Lucan
Lord Lucan
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Re: Bowie, genius or not...
Jul 28, 2010, 14:06
Well I love him. And the fact he can still get away with doing a turkey of a medley of just song titles with Cher during his cocaine blizzard years and still be cool is fucking amazing in itself.

Of course, hypnotic moments like this just sweep any dross away...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--IqqusnNQ
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