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vince 1628 posts |
Apr 20, 2008, 18:45
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Moon Cat wrote: I agree. I like a bit of The Doors now and then - some great songs in their time. And if I was put off by bands or artists because a member might be a twat then I don't think I'd be left with much. Think i've been misunderstood....I wasn't put off because he's a twat....I was put off by Doors overkill.....and then I discovered he was a twat....
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Edited Apr 21, 2008, 13:10
Apr 20, 2008, 19:23
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vince wrote: Moon Cat wrote: I agree. I like a bit of The Doors now and then - some great songs in their time. And if I was put off by bands or artists because a member might be a twat then I don't think I'd be left with much. Think i've been misunderstood....I wasn't put off because he's a twat....I was put off by Doors overkill.....and then I discovered he was a twat.... He did make, or at least participate in, some great records (in addditioon to the first two albums, I'd say "Morrison Hotel and "L.A Woman"), although I think the rest of the band (and Robbie Krieger in particular) probably shaped ther music much more than they're given credit for. I just wouldn't have wanted to have been in a band with him! I think that Oliver Stone move damaged their cred quite a bit - since then it's become more hip to slate them than to like them. I don't think that half-assed re-union with Ian Astbury helped either.
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shanshee_allures 2563 posts |
Apr 20, 2008, 19:59
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I suppose too there's the 'connotations'. As a yoof, finding myself at 'those' parties where the music choices were either The Doors (usually 'best of'), Dark Side of The Moon, Marley's Legend, or a bit of Led Zep. Sort of made me categorize these things for a while. ;-) x
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Tekpop 41 posts |
Apr 20, 2008, 20:06
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Popel Vooje wrote: I think that Oliver Stone move damaged their cred quite a bit - since then it's become more hip to slate them than to like them. I don't think that half-assed re-union with Ian Astbury helped either. The Doors revival was already in full bloom by the time Stone jumped on the bandwagon. The person who is most responsible for kicking it off was Danny Sugarman when he wrote 'No One Here Gets Out Alive'. It seemed like every American high school student owned a copy of that book at one time. Of course, that book dealt with the sensationalized side of Jim Morrison and the music was almost an after-thought. Before all that, Jim was just another dead 60's rock star but the book made him into a larger than life figure - the Lizard King, the man, the myth and the legend! The Doors were again in vogue and people like Sugarman and Ray Manzarak saw dollar signs. Manzarak in particular, has milked the myth of Morrison for all its worth.
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keith a 9570 posts |
Apr 20, 2008, 20:36
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Tekpop wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: I think that Oliver Stone move damaged their cred quite a bit - since then it's become more hip to slate them than to like them. I don't think that half-assed re-union with Ian Astbury helped either. The Doors revival was already in full bloom by the time Stone jumped on the bandwagon. The person who is most responsible for kicking it off was Danny Sugarman when he wrote 'No One Here Gets Out Alive'. It seemed like every American high school student owned a copy of that book at one time. Of course, that book dealt with the sensationalized side of Jim Morrison and the music was almost an after-thought. Before all that, Jim was just another dead 60's rock star but the book made him into a larger than life figure - the Lizard King, the man, the myth and the legend! The Doors were again in vogue and people like Sugarman and Ray Manzarak saw dollar signs. Manzarak in particular, has milked the myth of Morrison for all its worth. Not sure I *totally* agree with that, Tekpop. NHGOA wasn't published till 1980 (maybe '81 over here), by which time The Doors were extremely hip (in the UK at least) and JM was more than 'just another dead 60's rock star.' Sure the book added to the myth, but I agree with PV - the movie meant that suddenly The Doors were everywhere, and that overkill maybe as much as the film (which I like, for my sins!) definitely damaged their cred, and this hasn't recovered to date.
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Tekpop 41 posts |
Apr 20, 2008, 23:35
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I don't know how the Doors movie did at the box office outside the US (I'm a yank, by the way) but it wasn't exactly a smash hit here. I'll still stand by my theory that a big reason for the Doors success was because of Morrison's good looks. If he looked like Ray Manzarek we wouldn't be having this conversation. They would have been just another good band from the 60's.
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Apr 21, 2008, 14:23
Apr 21, 2008, 14:10
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riotmaster wrote: not me. up there with Queen and The Smiths as biggest pile of cack ever A but unfair on Jimbo - he was the ultimate self-absorbed and leather trousered front man come rock poet manqué though the band themselves were a right bunch of Adam Claytons and three of the luckiest men in rock. In terms of musicality they were in the same league as Vanilla Fudge and Iron Butterfly but with JM they could really fly on occasion. Their bad moments are toe curling. I am with you all the way when it comes to Mozza 'n' Marr and Freddo 'n' May. Both acts are oddly revered and yet people have the nerve to mock Van Halen and Kiss.
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chris s 211 posts |
Apr 21, 2008, 14:17
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Apart from The Smiths, I'd have to agree. Preposterous, self-obsessed, way over-rated tosh that spawned a country swamping plague of blues obsessed provincial pub band nonsense.
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machineryelf 3681 posts |
Apr 21, 2008, 16:42
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http://graphjam.com/2008/04/16/funny-graphs-kiss-weekly-calendar/
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Apr 21, 2008, 19:59
Apr 21, 2008, 17:06
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Ha! I do walk into these things. At my advanced years I don't see much of a difference between "I am too miserable to lift my head from the grave of Oscar Wilde" and "I'm so horny I want to rock n roll all night - or at least until Mum says it's bed time" Is there much of a difference between a 1974 audience of Kiss obsessive can't-get-a-girlfriend-for-love-nor-money young men or their Smiths equivalent in 84? It's all one form of escapism or another. Just different sides of the same old adolescent coin, no? At least Jim Morrison might lead a listener on to Kurt Weill or some better poets.
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