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Amil04
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Edited Mar 11, 2019, 12:10
Greta
Mar 11, 2019, 11:53
Article from the Guardian..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/11/greta-thunberg-schoolgirl-climate-change-warrior-some-people-can-let-things-go-i-cant?CMP=share_btn_link


“At about the age of eight, when she first learned about climate change, she was shocked that adults did not appear to be taking the issue seriously. It was not the only reason she became depressed a few years later, but it was a significant factor.”

Age 8?

“Yes Greta, the grown ups are destroying the planet..and they’re not doing anything about it”

What kind of thing is that to be telling a child of eight?
PMM
PMM
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Re: Greta
Mar 11, 2019, 18:58
What do you think they should be told?
Amil04
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Re: Greta
Mar 11, 2019, 19:36
Age appropriated information.
PMM
PMM
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Re: Greta
Mar 11, 2019, 20:16
Ok. What, in an age appropriate way, do you think they should be told?
Amil04
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Edited Mar 12, 2019, 13:43
Re: Greta
Mar 12, 2019, 09:47
Something like this when they’re a few years older..

https://youtu.be/AZoZ_GwaR74

If you don’t know Johnny Ball you’ll have heard of his daughter Zoe..In my opinion it’s a shame Johnny doesn’t get the air time Zoe does. The BBC will not let him anywhere near a tv camera these days, which undermines the BBC’s policy of being unbiased. Nor David Bellamy who was ‘thrown out’ of his own conservation group for his views about climate change. To people growing up in the UK that remember them, can we imagine two more harmless presenters? They’ve got no political agenda?
They have some good speakers on at the AV conference..some not so. Take what you will from where you can.
nigelswift
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Re: Greta
Mar 12, 2019, 10:01
I remember them both and liked them. I must have missed why Johnny Ball blotted his copybook but I do remember how David Bellamy did.

George Mombiot says this ....

Because he was once an environmentalist and a famous broadcaster, David Bellamy is used as the mascot of climate change deniers all over the world. Like most mascots he is cute, furry and apparently incapable of rational thought. He has claimed that global warming is "poppycock", that "the global warmers are telling lies – carbon dioxide is not the driver" and that "555 of all the 625 glaciers under observation by the World Glacier Monitoring Service in Zurich, Switzerland, have been growing since 1980" (the WGMS responded that this was "complete bullshit").

He maintains that "since I said I didn't believe human beings caused global warming I've not been allowed to make a TV programme." This is odd because he stopped making TV programmes in 1994. He was making public statements in support of mainstream climate science until at least 2000, and his first public statement to the contrary was in 2004. But the conspiracy extends even further. "Have you noticed there is a wind turbine on Teletubbies?", he asked in the Daily Express. "That's subliminal advertising, isn't it?"
Amil04
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Edited Mar 12, 2019, 12:21
Re: Greta
Mar 12, 2019, 11:56
I don’t remember seeing much of David Bellamy on tv when I was younger, There was probably something else on one of the ‘other two channels’ at the same time. I do remember Johnny Ball’s ‘Think of a Number’ very well though.

I used to like all the optical illusion stuff. When something appears to be one thing or shape but is actually another when viewed differently...

It’s that George Mombiot who works for the BBC and is one of the main players in ‘Extinction Rebellion’? ; )

On one level Bellamy saying about wind turbines sounds like an odd thing to say, I agree. I think that statement of his (no doubt one of many not expressed in that article) has been included to weaken his argument and make him appear foolish? I don’t think he himself would have put himself forward as some kind of ‘mascot’ but that’s more how the press are portraying him?

On another level, and I think this was what he was getting at maybe?..it could be argued and is by some that it’s part of a normalisation process. The earlier and more times the young see wind turbines in ‘pictures’ the more likely they will see them as a ‘normal’ part of their landscape. Wind turbines have their critics. I don’t know enough about the facts to discuss that. Some would agrue its not really ‘green’ energy at all. I know that much..And producing this type of energy might cost you a little more? But you can be safe in the knowledge that you spending a little more is saving the planet? That’s like blackmail, or a hostage situation...’pay up or the planet gets it” I’m being a bit extreme there maybe.

The same could be said of persistent trails..one example, the more times people see them in weather photos sent in to local and national news by the public, the more likely one is to accept them as to be nothing out of the ordinary. Dunno. It’s an idea out there..

I think admirers of ‘great scientists of the past’ would enjoy Johnny Ball’s talk whatever views they have.

“Think of a number!”

“Errr...97%?”
nigelswift
8001 posts

Re: Greta
Mar 12, 2019, 12:28
"pay up or the planet gets it”

YES. That's exactly the truth and should be the theme for the whole twenty first century.

I really, really don't see how Trump, Bellamy and Nigel Lawson can argue otherwise.
Amil04
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Edited Mar 12, 2019, 13:40
Re: Greta
Mar 12, 2019, 12:55
..I’ll be wanting some royalties for that then! ; )

Since when did people suddenly start believing anything Al Gore said anyway? My innate bullshitometer was registering some response even then. It all sounded plausible on the surface. I would have found it difficult to fault at the time. It just seemed “too caring” about the environment..very out of character!

Trumps supposed views about climate change have been hung on him by the deep state I would imagine? I doubt in his heart of hearts he really gives a shit personally. Anything to retain power and increase his personal wealth. He’s saying anthropogenic climate change is fraud, but for the wrong reasons?

“All the right notes...

...but not necessarily in the right order” : )
giNgko_C
giNgko_C
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Re: Greta
Mar 13, 2019, 17:48
uchm, there was a Garboisk,,m that popperd into ny head last week but its gone now,
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