thesweetcheat
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What fresh Hell is this?
Nov 26, 2018, 19:38
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Just when you think the depths of the dystopian hell that is Britain 2018 have been sufficiently plumbed, the Bank of England announces that the Evil Queen is a potential candidate to appear on a 50 quid note.
The only relief is that at least they haven't yet reanimated her corpse to take over as eternal dictator, but given the current dearth of political talent on both sides of the House, maybe that day is getting closer.
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Amil04
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Re: What fresh Hell is this?
Nov 26, 2018, 19:49
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I’ve not seen a fifty for ages..mores the pity..long make it continue if that happens.
I sometimes wonder if Brexit was the right question...but it’s the one we’ve all been forced to answer..being presented as a choice.
Just thinkin’ aloud.
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thesweetcheat
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Re: What fresh Hell is this?
Nov 26, 2018, 20:12
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Amil04 wrote: I’ve not seen a fifty for ages..mores the pity..long make it continue if that happens.
Me neither.
Amil04 wrote: I sometimes wonder if Brexit was the right question...but it’s the one we’ve all been forced to answer..being presented as a choice.
Just thinkin’ aloud.
It was never the right question, since the motivation for even asking it was a coward of a PM worried that the mean ol' Kippers were going to take seats off him, back in the days before they hired the likes of racist codpiece "Tommy" as a special advisor on whether petty criminals get enough TV privileges and made themselves completely beyond parody.
But as you say, it's the one we've been asked. Fuck knows why anyone would think a referendum was a good idea to decide anything important, but there we are.
My own take on where we are now, fwiw, is that the EU have played it straight, despite the last minute cock-waving of Spain over Gibraltar and Macron's fishy threats, whereas our "negotiating team" has been led by a lazy idiot who showed arrogance and contempt for well over a year of doing nothing, before bailing out once he realised he had no idea what he was doing. Followed by another one who basically also did nothing as May had taken over by then in truth.
To be fair to May, the deal is probably not a bad effort in damage limitation, given that it was obvious to all but the ideologically blinded right from the off that no negotiated deal would be as good as staying in the EU.
Much as I dislike the idea of "going back to the country" to ask The People again, it does seem that the only sensible way to determine the way forward now is a second vote on either staying in, taking the deal, or leaving with no deal. Although if that last option was to be included it would need some more fleshing out otherwise there will be those that can paint it to the gullible as an attractive option (knowing damn well that only the Moggish disaster capitalists would actually stand to gain from it).
The reality is that two and half years on, we still haven't had a single coherent answer to the question of how we will be better off or what the advantages are if we leave, other than May's latest rhetoric reinstating the queue-jumping foreigners as the main evil to be "ended once and for all".
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grufty jim
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Re: What fresh Hell is this?
Nov 26, 2018, 20:15
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As I keep saying, nobody pointed out the queue to me when I arrived in the UK. Seems a bit rude calling me a queue-jumper at this point, no?
(I love the UK, but I'm incredibly relieved I don't live there anymore).
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thesweetcheat
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Re: What fresh Hell is this?
Nov 26, 2018, 20:22
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grufty jim wrote: As I keep saying, nobody pointed out the queue to me when I arrived in the UK. Seems a bit rude calling me a queue-jumper at this point, no?
(I love the UK, but I'm incredibly relieved I don't live there anymore).
Exactly, it's a bone being thrown to the anti-immigration section of the Brexiteers, nothing more. As nigel says, it's dog-whistle politics.
I'm ashamed of the state of the UK and its politicians.
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nigelswift
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Edited Nov 27, 2018, 06:33
Re: What fresh Hell is this?
Nov 27, 2018, 06:01
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thesweetcheat wrote: I'm ashamed of the state of the UK and its politicians.
Me too, but only of the politicians and voters who continue to support Brexit using their only weapon, the platitudes that the people have spoken and must now be obeyed because democracy demands it.
..... And of the Beeb. (Sky is a totally different environment). Yesterday they did a Vox Pop - and guess where they went - a market in Leeds - and guess what the people there said - by a margin of 5 to one: "we've voted leave, now get on with it.
..... And of the PM who is the most active in saying stop immigration "once and for all". I think she and her team have identified that that will swing it far more than anything else.
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nigelswift
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This is just wicked
Nov 28, 2018, 10:48
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‘Is every scenario likely to have a detrimental effect on GDP?’ Chancellor - ‘yes’ BUT there are other advantages to Brexit other than that.
How terrible. He's a millionaire. When the bottom 30% have fewer jobs and lower standards of living are they REALLY going to think it's all been worth it because rich Tories now have more "control"?
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nigelswift
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And another thing....
Nov 30, 2018, 09:11
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https://heritageaction.wordpress.com/2018/11/30/a-worrying-week-for-heritage/
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nigelswift
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Dec 01, 2018, 08:28
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Pete M
? @fastcarspete
9h9 hours ago
Pete M Retweeted Yvette Cooper
Imagine. If @YvetteCooperMP had won the Labour leadership contest things would be very different. Labour would have a leader, Brexit would be very very dead, and nobody would be stealing our Freedom of Movement.
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Captain Starlet
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Re: Jesus I despise Brexit.
Dec 01, 2018, 16:25
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I think Andy Burnham was the preferred candidate really. She was too linked to Ed Balls and really represented a Labour that people wanted to move on from.
Then again she'd be a damned sight better than the dead lettuce they've got in now!
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