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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Jun 04, 2017, 23:15
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tjj wrote: Sanctuary wrote: nigelswift wrote: Never mind the smile. He's the one you share your false representation of the Mayor of London with. As for the detectorist with the guitar, yes you're right, he has threatened me and my family. It was a police matter. Nice of you to bring it up. Not nice of course but I have made no mention of him threatening your family, how would I know that? But getting back to the point, show some respect for the man as you would like to be respected yourself if you held his position. You actually know nothing about him personally do you other than what you have read in the rags and picked up on the net over the past few weeks. Not sure I can be bothered with this any more. You've got some front Roy, to accuse me of 'stirring it' simply because I pointed out you (and Trump) had misconstrued what Sadiq Khan said this morning. Why do that? I can only speculate. I don't respect Trump at all... yet. I respect leaders who are peace makers - if he proves to be one I may come to respect him but I'm afraid his stand-down on global warming makes that highly unlikely. You are also out of order to accuse me of stirring when you have posted that video link to Nigel Swift - it was an appalling attempt at winding him up. Some might say baiting. I have a right to join in this debate and have not insulted any one. Have just watched some of the Manchester Benefit Concert and although its all 'young stuff' very refreshing to see it on a day such as this. Its a long time since Bob Dylan got up there and sang about 'Masters of War' and 'Times they are a changing' but he was right - "the first one now will later be last". Our country and our future belongs to those children and young people singing along tonight with Ariana Grande. And in the words of the old wordsmith "Even the President of the United States sometimes has to stand naked". Little did he know when, as a young man, he wrote those words ... how true they would be. If you trouble to go to the BBC iplayer June at 7.13 this morning (won't be available after 9am tomorrow I think it is) you can watch Sadiq Khan's full comments, not the selected bits. You may recall that my thread was about him saying we will not cower and carry on as normal:- I responded by saying people, especially the elderly, are terrified. Our country is becoming open season to terrorists. The media show people fleeing the scenes in terror and to a terrorist watching this must be manna from heaven! That is being cowed when you are too frightened to go out. The London Mayor said we will not be cowed and we should carry on as normal. We should remain calm and vigilant and carry on our normal business. The presence of extra armed policemen was no reason to be alarmed (really, we would feel perfectly at ease with tooled-up coppers all around us would we?). If I was an elderly person (oh bugger I am) or a father with a couple of children, I wouldn't be within 10 miles of a situation like that. Who in their right mind would. We would be cowed and alarmed!! That's all I was saying, nothing else. What President Trump said was up to him and nothing to do with me or what I said. With regard to Nigel - well I'm sure he doesn't need you mollycoddling him as he's a big boy now. If he shows disrespect for someone he's never met then he shouldn't complain when another person disrespects him for whatever reason he has. That's all I have to say...other than I'm looking forward to hearing exactly what TM has in store for the terrorists other than what she has already said today. Her staying in power could hinge on it! I hope it's good as the thought of Corbyn and his motley crew taking over is too awful to contemplate!!
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thesweetcheat 6209 posts |
Jun 04, 2017, 23:27
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"TM"'s approach as Home Secretary has been to cut the police service (including armed police) despite clear warnings given by the police at the time. She accused the police who gave these warnings of "scaremongering" (her words). As Home Secretary she allowed people - including kids like the one who killed children in Manchester - to travel to Libya and be trained as fighters in order to overthrow Gaddafi. The destruction of any semblance of order in Libya by western forces has led directly to IS. As PM she continues to sell arms to the Saudis. She's now suppressed a report into how these groups are funded, but it is clear than Saudi Arabia funds and arms IS. That's her approach. It sounds from all these terrified old people that you know of that her approach isn't working. In contrast, Corbyn has pledged that if Labour get in they will increase police numbers by 10,000, security services by 1,000 and immediately stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia.
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dhajjieboy 913 posts |
Jun 04, 2017, 23:55
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You can go ahead and take whatever you like from my post....it's on the house. What a spectacular gang-fuck all you all have once again turned all this into....congratulations.... On with the show...good health to you...!
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Jun 04, 2017, 23:58
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thesweetcheat wrote: In contrast, Corbyn has pledged that if Labour get in they will increase police numbers by 10,000, security services by 1,000 and immediately stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia. And what exactly did you expect him to say - the opposite? You have a lot to learn. Did you not know it is customary to promise what the opposition don't? Corbyn makes it up as he goes along. What a team Abbott and Costello -oops sorry - I meant Abbott and Corbyn bumbling their way through Brexit. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.
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thesweetcheat 6209 posts |
Jun 05, 2017, 06:40
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No comment to make on May's approach then? 7 years of Conservative government, most with her as Home Secretary, and you're the one saying people don't feel safe to go out.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Jun 05, 2017, 08:05
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thesweetcheat wrote: No comment to make on May's approach then? 7 years of Conservative government, most with her as Home Secretary, and you're the one saying people don't feel safe to go out. All reasonable people even if they are not interested in politics realise that if there is not enough money to go around have to put a little bit here and a little bit there. It's called paying Peter to pay Paul. Maybe you've not heard that saying before. When Labour were given the boot in 2010 after bleeding us dry and we had the disastrous Con/LibDem fiasco to put up with, money was scarce - enter austerity. It was your glorious Labour party that laid the foundation to this and is now having to be dealt with by the Conservative government. If Labour had done a decent job they would still be in power, but they blew it, along with our money! Put Corbyn in charge and he will bankrupt us with all his reckless promises. Money has to be distributed carefully but to some not always fairly depending on what camp you are in. Give it all to the NHS and others start whinging. Give it to those others and the NHS then starts whinging and so on. There is no magic money tree as a cure-for-all like Labour would have you believe. If there was they would still be in power. Wake up and smell the roses instead of looking for scraps all the time to continue your personal war against Theresa May. God help us if Labour get in.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Jun 05, 2017, 08:07
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thesweetcheat wrote: No comment to make on May's approach then? 7 years of Conservative government, most with her as Home Secretary, and you're the one saying people don't feel safe to go out. All reasonable people even if they are not interested in politics realise that if there is not enough money to go around have to put a little bit here and a little bit there. It's called paying Peter to pay Paul. Maybe you've not heard that saying before. When Labour were given the boot in 2010 after bleeding us dry and we had the disastrous Con/LibDem fiasco to put up with, money was scarce - enter austerity. It was your glorious Labour party that laid the foundation to this and is now having to be dealt with by the Conservative government. If Labour had done a decent job they would still be in power, but they blew it, along with our money! Put Corbyn in charge and he will bankrupt us with all his reckless promises. Money has to be distributed carefully but to some not always fairly depending on what camp you are in. Give it all to the NHS and others start whinging. Give it to those others and the NHS then starts whinging and so on. There is no magic money tree as a cure-for-all like Labour would have you believe. If there was they would still be in power. Wake up and smell the roses instead of looking for scraps all the time to continue your personal war against Theresa May. God help us if Labour get in.
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drewbhoy 2553 posts |
Edited Jun 05, 2017, 08:11
Jun 05, 2017, 08:10
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Sanctuary wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: No comment to make on May's approach then? 7 years of Conservative government, most with her as Home Secretary, and you're the one saying people don't feel safe to go out. All reasonable people even if they are not interested in politics realise that if there is not enough money to go around have to put a little bit here and a little bit there. It's called paying Peter to pay Paul. Maybe you've not heard that saying before. When Labour were given the boot in 2010 after bleeding us dry and we had the disastrous Con/LibDem fiasco to put up with, money was scarce - enter austerity. It was your glorious Labour party that laid the foundation to this and is now having to be dealt with by the Conservative government. If Labour had done a decent job they would still be in power, but they blew it, along with our money! Put Corbyn in charge and he will bankrupt us with all his reckless promises. Money has to be distributed carefully but to some not always fairly depending on what camp you are in. Give it all to the NHS and others start whinging. Give it to those others and the NHS then starts whinging and so on. There is no magic money tree as a cure-for-all like Labour would have you believe. If there was they would still be in power. Wake up and smell the roses instead of looking for scraps all the time to continue your personal war against Theresa May. God help us if Labour get in. Distribute fairly and nobody will complain. More easily done than said, its a simple choice to do right or wrong. Most reasonable would people agree.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Jun 05, 2017, 08:27
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drewbhoy wrote: Sanctuary wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: No comment to make on May's approach then? 7 years of Conservative government, most with her as Home Secretary, and you're the one saying people don't feel safe to go out. All reasonable people even if they are not interested in politics realise that if there is not enough money to go around have to put a little bit here and a little bit there. It's called paying Peter to pay Paul. Maybe you've not heard that saying before. When Labour were given the boot in 2010 after bleeding us dry and we had the disastrous Con/LibDem fiasco to put up with, money was scarce - enter austerity. It was your glorious Labour party that laid the foundation to this and is now having to be dealt with by the Conservative government. If Labour had done a decent job they would still be in power, but they blew it, along with our money! Put Corbyn in charge and he will bankrupt us with all his reckless promises. Money has to be distributed carefully but to some not always fairly depending on what camp you are in. Give it all to the NHS and others start whinging. Give it to those others and the NHS then starts whinging and so on. There is no magic money tree as a cure-for-all like Labour would have you believe. If there was they would still be in power. Wake up and smell the roses instead of looking for scraps all the time to continue your personal war against Theresa May. God help us if Labour get in. Distribute fairly and nobody will complain. More easily done than said, its a simple choice to do right or wrong. Most reasonable would people agree. And things change Drew. A month ago give it all to the NHS, now security. It's a no win situation at times. Never mind Mr Corbyn will resolve it all with his fabled money tree :-)
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drewbhoy 2553 posts |
Jun 05, 2017, 09:19
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Sanctuary wrote: drewbhoy wrote: Sanctuary wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: No comment to make on May's approach then? 7 years of Conservative government, most with her as Home Secretary, and you're the one saying people don't feel safe to go out. All reasonable people even if they are not interested in politics realise that if there is not enough money to go around have to put a little bit here and a little bit there. It's called paying Peter to pay Paul. Maybe you've not heard that saying before. When Labour were given the boot in 2010 after bleeding us dry and we had the disastrous Con/LibDem fiasco to put up with, money was scarce - enter austerity. It was your glorious Labour party that laid the foundation to this and is now having to be dealt with by the Conservative government. If Labour had done a decent job they would still be in power, but they blew it, along with our money! Put Corbyn in charge and he will bankrupt us with all his reckless promises. Money has to be distributed carefully but to some not always fairly depending on what camp you are in. Give it all to the NHS and others start whinging. Give it to those others and the NHS then starts whinging and so on. There is no magic money tree as a cure-for-all like Labour would have you believe. If there was they would still be in power. Wake up and smell the roses instead of looking for scraps all the time to continue your personal war against Theresa May. God help us if Labour get in. Distribute fairly and nobody will complain. More easily done than said, its a simple choice to do right or wrong. Most reasonable would people agree. And things change Drew. A month ago give it all to the NHS, now security. It's a no win situation at times. Never mind Mr Corbyn will resolve it all with his fabled money tree :-) Oh they will change, they can stuff their money trees and bus. We'll manage fine thank you.
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