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I have, just as I did when I replied to your point about Yugoslavia. The point is this is a discussion board and people can choose to read and reply to whatever they wish. It's not down to you to set the agenda that I must follow, or vice versa. You want to talk about Greece, fine. I don't.

As I said several times, in my opinion Brexit is a smokescreen and this unnecessary election is simple opportunism from May. She is using classic Lynton Crosby tactics but you don't want to hear that maybe you're being manipulated by the media.

(ps: re HATE on this forum: I'm outside of the historical loop re personal factions/animosities both here and TMA, the latter which I don't visit, and as for here, I'm a very infrequent visitor who just happened to take an interest in some of the points being made in this discussion. I take no sides and have no personal agenda or interest in any).

OK Ethericat, I freely admit I spoke up for Dianne Abbott because after watching her being grilled about her interview blunder on national tv I felt for her. She is a woman after all and a Socialist (albeit sometimes flawed) that makes her part of the Sisterhood in my view. I would probably feel some sympathy for Theresa May (also flawed) in a similar situation.

I was pleased to read your last paragraph as I've always liked you. I thought the animosity on the TMA forum had long since been laid to rest but seems to have cropped up again here. For my part I apologise as, like you I'm sure, have got better things to do with my time. I won't be making any more posts on this particular thread.

Best wishes
June (also flawed but not hating anything but Hate itself)

Brexit: Remind EU about cancelling German WW2 debt to get better deal, says senior Tory MP.

UK government ministers should remind the EU about the cancellation of German debt after the Second World War as they try to secure a better Brexit deal, a senior Conservative MP has said. Sir Bill Cash, a long-standing Eurosceptic, who chairs the House of Commons European Scrutiny Committee, said European officials wanting to whack Britain with a hefty Brexit bill were being “extravagant” and should remember how European countries had written off German debt in the 1950s.

His comments come amid concerns the EU will hand the UK a huge bill as soon as Theresa May triggers Article 50 and begins the formal Brexit process.

EU 'to take UK to The Hague' if it tries to avoid Brexit divorce bill

“Would you make sure that they do understand that we’ve been net contributors for many decades to the tune of what is now running at about nine or ten billion [pounds] a year [and] that our accumulated liabilities are offset by the extent to which we’ve made these massive contributions?”, Sir Bill told David James, a Brexit Minister, during a meeting of the European Scrutiny Select Committee.

He added: “Perhaps also to bear in mind that back in 1953 there was a thing called the London Debt Agreement, where Germany - for all its malfeasance during the Second World War and its unprovoked aggression - found that in 1953, in circumstances which were quite remarkable, that we remitted one half of all German debt.

“Therefore if you compare that situation with what it is now and given Germany's extremely dominant role in the EU at the moment it might be worth tactfully - not one of my strongest points - but tactfully reminding people that there is a realistic position here that we really don't owe anything to the EU whether it's legal or political.”

In response, Mr Jones said: “I'm not entirely sure how tactful one can be when one is mentioning the London Debt Agreement. But nevertheless, clearly there are a whole range of issues.”

The London Debt Agreement provided West Germany with relief on its post-war debts and tied repayments to the state of the country’s economy, in a bid to help it re-integrate with the West.