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Howburn Digger
Howburn Digger
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Re: Irony
Mar 21, 2017, 17:11
nigelswift wrote:
sanshee wrote:
People up here vote SNP not for the 'dream of independence' but the free prescriptions, the oldies for the free Scotland wide bus travel, maybe even the free tuition.


But will Scotland in a post-Brexit UK be able to afford any of those?


Post-Brexit? The EU doesn't pay for free bus travel for pensioners in Scotland. The EU doesn't pay for free prescriptions in Scotland. The EU doesn't pay for free tuition in Scotland. In Scotland, Holyrood prioritises those very policies which MSP's stood for in their manifestos and people voted for. They are nothing to do with the England's priorities (or lack of them) or the EU. Even Wales and Northern Ireland opted for the Free Prescription no-brainer.

It is cheaper to issue free prescriptions than to charge and have to manage a system of low-pay/ benefit entitlement refunds and reductions in charges. When everyone gets their prescription free, people just get healthier quicker, or get the pain relief they need without having to choose between pain relief and heating. The Scottish People decided that it was better to get pensioners out and about than have them sitting in their homes getting older while empty buses collected subsidies on those routes anyway.

It is that simple.
sanshee
sanshee
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Edited Mar 21, 2017, 17:35
Re: Irony
Mar 21, 2017, 17:28
Let me see education attainment the worst it's been in history (fact check if you like), oh aye great governance...
I think if you care to read over my posts I have explained.
You do know this 'section 30' thing will be blocked, and the majority up here will not give a toss.
That stupid boot Sturgeon has made one hell of a mistake.
Thankfully.
SNP get in on low turnouts and ramped up freebies.
Oh how socialist are we?
They have NEVER gained a majority of the popular vote in Scotland, except the one when we told them to piss off in 2014, and would again.
Howburn Digger
Howburn Digger
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Edited Mar 21, 2017, 17:52
Re: Irony
Mar 21, 2017, 17:50
sanshee wrote:
Let me see education attainment the worst it's been in history (fact check if you like), oh aye great governance...
I think if you care to read over my posts I have explained.
You do know this 'section 30' thing will be blocked, and the majority up here will not give a toss.
That stupid boot Sturgeon has made one hell of a mistake.
Thankfully.
SNP get in on low turnouts and ramped up freebies.
Oh how socialist are we?
They have NEVER gained a majority of the popular vote in Scotland, except the one when we told them to piss off in 2014, and would again.


I've worked in Education for 29 years. You speak utter horseshit. If your kids aren't getting good enough grades for you - make them do their homework. They'll soon improve Sanshee. I gave you a capital there (it's a name thing).

After the 2015 Election...

Scotland had more pandas than Westminster Tory MPs.
Scotland had more pandas than Westminster Labour Mps.
Scotland had more pandas than Westminster Liberals MPs.

Scotland has 2 pandas. They are in Edinburgh Zoo.

Go figure with ad hominem attacks on women by calling them a "boot". What a saddo.
sanshee
sanshee
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Re: Irony
Mar 21, 2017, 17:58
As a woman, do I get to insult another woman?
Where's my dispensation?
Thought you were hard boiled to all that PC snowflakey bullshit, no...
I post with facts and express my view and you come out with 'more pandas than tories jokes'.
Your sudden flurry of indignation is rather amusing though.
sanshee
sanshee
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Re: Irony
Mar 21, 2017, 18:02
https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/scotland%E2%80%99s-schools%E2%80%99-pisa-scores-drop-lowest-level
nigelswift
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Re: Irony
Mar 21, 2017, 18:31
Yes, it may be simple, and desireable, within current parameters.

But Post Brexit is a whole other situation where the cake is likely to be smaller.

IMHO.
Howburn Digger
Howburn Digger
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Edited Mar 21, 2017, 18:39
Re: Irony
Mar 21, 2017, 18:32
sanshee wrote:
As a woman, do I get to insult another woman?
Where's my dispensation?


ad hominem attacks are where people go when they cannot debate or offer a valid opinion. They make personal attacks on people. You called Nicola Sturgeon a "boot". So there you go.

sanshee wrote:

I post with facts and express my view and you come out with 'more pandas than tories jokes'.


You stated that Nicola Sturgeon is a "boot". That is your opinion and an ad hominem attack rather than a fact or any contribution to a debate.

The FACT is that Scotland had more Pandas living within its borders than Tory MPs, Labour MPs or Liberal MPs after the 2015 General Election. Although that is rather funny (and adds to the "Irony" of this thread's title) it is not a joke, but simply a fact. (= FACT). Those parties had only one MP each. One. Scotland has two pandas. Double the number of each of the parties MPs. Fact.

As for PISA testing. It is simply not the same as Nat4, Nat5, Higher and Higher Plus exam results which actually get students into university and college. PISA is not an examination board - sorry sanshee... it is an entirely different thing. It is a strange statistical measuring device which has been dreamed up by a team of "International Education Snake Oil Salesmen" and has no bearing on exam results. My son spent three hours getting taken out of his Higher Physics and Higher Maths Class on Monday to do pointless PISA testing (which are NOT measuring any Physics, English, French, Music, Biology, Maths knowledge/ understanding or anything). It is more akin to Phrenology.

The quality of paper on which exam certificates are printed has changed, does that mean they are worth less or more? Or does it mean you are measuring something different than an exam? You read a report which says that Scottish Labour says that the change in quality of paper means the results mean we are more stupid. Do you believe them?
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: Irony
Mar 21, 2017, 18:41
The free bus travel thing is in place across the whole of England too ( but the services themselves are constantly cut).

It also applies in Wales but only to Welsh pensioners (I believe Welsh pensioners can travel for free in England on their passes but not vice versa).

I pay for my prescriptions and see no problem with that, I earn enough to afford it while others can't. I still get free at point of use doctor and hospital appointments.
sanshee
sanshee
1080 posts

Re: Irony
Mar 21, 2017, 18:50
You are splitting up my quotes scrambling to make some point or other, I did offer debate and opinion on many posts.
I did not insult 'women' I insulted one woman.
Plenty here called Thatcher a witch' totally agree.
I am sure by your standard though that would leave you incandescent, especially when that record came out.
Stats don't lie, teachers are struggling with CfE, and what in the sam hill is the 2nd year elective about?
Yes one each Lib Dem Labour Tory, 54 SNP as two currently suspended regards criminal investigations.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: Irony
Mar 21, 2017, 18:50
Howburn Digger wrote:
nigelswift wrote:
Sorry, when I said "If it came to a straight choice between England leaving Scotland and England leaving Europe I'd vote for leaving Scotland" I wasn't trying to make a point of constitutional law I was saying that for me personally being a European citizen is far more important than being a United Kingdom citizen, nothing more.


Well, as J P Donleavy once said "Wherever you are, there you go."

Funny, but the people of Scotland seem to be looking to exit the UK and find some way of continuing links with the EU in some form or other. The Europy will still want our Whisky, Beer, Barley, Carrots and Salmon.

But maybe England should consider leaving Great Britain and revoking the Treaty of Union they signed in 1706. Some Independence might clarify things a little for them.


I think it's a terrible shame that during 13 years or whatever of Labour in Govt they failed to put the two countries back on a equal footing as partners in a union. Devolution was not anywhere near enough.

By the time of Indyref1 I believe (though you may not agree) that Salmond would have accepted "Devo Max" but the Tories would not countenance it and Labour colluded with that. It's no great surprise that Labour was rejected by Scotland, unlike pandas.
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