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Howburn Digger
Howburn Digger
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Re: something else to sign
Feb 07, 2017, 21:36
Sin Agog wrote:
We joined in 1973 and voted to remain in the first nationwide referendum shortly afterwards in 1975, so we pretty much did vote to join the EU.


But the moaners can't have it both ways. Heath was a compromised idiot (at best) and we all know it. His Tory government lost the vote the year after we were railroaded into Europe. No-one had voted to join the EEC

In 1975 out of over 40.5 Million eligible voters only 17.3 Million voted "Yes" to stay in the EU. That is only about 2/5ths (40%) of the eligible voting population. Yet we stayed because only 8.5 Million of the eligible voters voted to leave. No-one had ever had the chance to vote to join in the first place.

That's Democracy I suppose. 1975 style.

But in 2016 when there were 46.5 Million registered voters only 16.1 million voted to stay. So that's only around 1/3rd (33%) of the eligible voting population wanted to cuddle up to Merkel, Euro Turmoil and the TPP Hillary was hoping to shovel up our ass (who knows - maybe the 1/3rd's property portfolios in Provence were suddenly gonna cost them tax). However a whopping 17.4 Million majority of the remaining 30.4 Million eligible voters voted to leave.

So the "leave" vote won. That's Democracy 2016. Same style.

At no point ever in any of the two referendii was there ever a majority of Eligible British Voters in favour of EEC Membership. There was no Democratic entry into the EEC by Britain. Heath was squeezed and we've been lied to ever since. Federalism, Corporations and War. See it for what it was.

We voted to leave. It is over. Bye bye EU.
Locodogz
Locodogz
265 posts

Re: something else to sign
Feb 08, 2017, 10:04
Loving the maths HD

So in 1975 "ONLY 17.3 Million voted "Yes" - that's 42.7% of the eligible voting population and I quote that's "Democracy I suppose"....

However in 2016 "a WHOPPING 17.4 Million" voted to leave - that's 37.4% of the eligible voting population?!?

You weren't responsible for that £350m a week for the NHS figure were you by any chance?

I do agree however "We voted to leave. It is over. Bye bye EU." I'm just interested to watch how the pieces fall into place now......
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Edited Feb 08, 2017, 19:56
Re: something else to sign
Feb 08, 2017, 19:55
Locodogz wrote:
... pieces fall into ......


You could rearrange those words to give a pretty good idea of where this is heading.

Still no sign or likelihood of a coherent or useful plan. Yes, I get the whole "we don't want to reveal our hand before the negotiations" schtick, but with David Davies etc it comes across as masking the hollow hope of a soon to be bankrupt gambler holding a pair of twos, rather than a brilliantly concealed four aces. Will you take my watch? And the NHS must be worth something?

As for Kier Starmer celebrating winning a "concession" in last night's voting on the Bill, that's an even bigger joke. It's Deal or No Deal, and no-one's a winner. Hardly a reflection of the spirit of the Supreme Court verdict, even if it adheres to the letter.
IanB
IanB
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Edited Feb 08, 2017, 22:27
Re: something else to sign
Feb 08, 2017, 22:11
Christ. I can't imagine what it would like to hate myself so much that it would make me feel better about my life to applaud this fiasco. Nasty Party doesn't even begin to do them justice. Or their willing helpers.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
6130 posts

Re: something else to sign
Feb 08, 2017, 22:43
IanB wrote:
Christ. I can't imagine what it would like to hate myself so much that it would make me feel better about my life to applaud this fiasco. Nasty Party doesn't even begin to do them justice. Or their willing helpers.


Quite. This evening MPs (including Labour MPs) voted to reject two amendments to the Bill, to:

1. Safeguard the rights of EU citizens already here legally
2. Give the £350m per week to the NHS. This was voted against by the self-same MPs who painted it on the side of a fucking bus.

In other news, the govt decided to end the scheme that looks after child refugees travelling alone.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: Latest from Mark Steel
Feb 09, 2017, 18:59
"Because now the EU won’t be able to order us to do things it never ordered us to do in the first place but we made up that they did."

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-bill-house-of-lords-donald-trump-european-union-a7572031.html
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
6130 posts

Re: It seems to me
Feb 09, 2017, 20:59
nigelswift wrote:
.... that those who say the will of the people should be accepted ought to have no objection to this (and to sign it).
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/175845


Here's the government response,arrived today:

Department for Exiting The European Union wrote:


Government responded:

On 23 June 2016 the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union in a referendum provided for by an Act of Parliament.

The Government is committed to implementing the democratic outcome of the referendum.

The Government was clear in the run up to the EU referendum that we would honour the choice made by the people of the UK on 23 June 2016. We will maintain that commitment: the UK will leave the EU.

This Government will make no attempt to remain in the EU by the backdoor, nor will we hold a second referendum on membership. We are preparing for a smooth and orderly exit from the EU and we will trigger the legal process which starts this by the end of March 2017.

We will seek an ambitious future relationship with the EU which works for all the people of the UK and which allows the UK to fulfil its aspirations for a truly global UK.

Department for Exiting the European Union
nigelswift
8101 posts

Re: something else to sign
Feb 14, 2017, 13:25
.... AND THE ANWER IS .... NO.

Should have known. The 1.8 m who signed is about the same as demonstrated against the Iraq War.
drewbhoy
drewbhoy
2516 posts

Edited Feb 21, 2017, 19:02
Re: something else to sign
Feb 21, 2017, 18:58
Howburn Digger wrote:
Sin Agog wrote:
We joined in 1973 and voted to remain in the first nationwide referendum shortly afterwards in 1975, so we pretty much did vote to join the EU.


But the moaners can't have it both ways. Heath was a compromised idiot (at best) and we all know it. His Tory government lost the vote the year after we were railroaded into Europe. No-one had voted to join the EEC

In 1975 out of over 40.5 Million eligible voters only 17.3 Million voted "Yes" to stay in the EU. That is only about 2/5ths (40%) of the eligible voting population. Yet we stayed because only 8.5 Million of the eligible voters voted to leave. No-one had ever had the chance to vote to join in the first place.

That's Democracy I suppose. 1975 style.

But in 2016 when there were 46.5 Million registered voters only 16.1 million voted to stay. So that's only around 1/3rd (33%) of the eligible voting population wanted to cuddle up to Merkel, Euro Turmoil and the TPP Hillary was hoping to shovel up our ass (who knows - maybe the 1/3rd's property portfolios in Provence were suddenly gonna cost them tax). However a whopping 17.4 Million majority of the remaining 30.4 Million eligible voters voted to leave.

So the "leave" vote won. That's Democracy 2016. Same style.

At no point ever in any of the two referendii was there ever a majority of Eligible British Voters in favour of EEC Membership. There was no Democratic entry into the EEC by Britain. Heath was squeezed and we've been lied to ever since. Federalism, Corporations and War. See it for what it was.

We voted to leave. It is over. Bye bye EU.


Scotland voted to remain so Remain we will!!!
sanshee
sanshee
1080 posts

Edited Feb 22, 2017, 22:33
Re: something else to sign
Feb 22, 2017, 22:28
There was no Scotland specific question on my EU referendum ballot paper.
Or yours.
Sturgeon is taking the piss, and it's getting boring.
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