Sin Agog
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 04, 2015, 09:25
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Wahoo! Now there had better not be some small-print saying no one whose name contains the letters Jermy Corbn gets to be leader.
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carol27
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 04, 2015, 17:14
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Sanctuary wrote:
I think so:)
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IanB
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Edited Sep 04, 2015, 21:08
Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 04, 2015, 21:05
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Sanctuary wrote:
Would seem to be but I wont actually believe it until I actually see him on the podium at conference giving his maiden speech as leader.
I worry slightly at some of the reactions on Twitter. We are not electing a dictator. He is going to have to lead the party with a lot of carrot and only some stick. He is going to play on being the voice of polite reason, daring people to go against the common sense line. He's not Che and I fear people are expecting more in terms of fireworks than he can truly deliver. What he is going to do is put the things we care about at the front of the news agenda day in day out. His colleagues will struggle to argue against the line without looking just like the other side. And traitors t'boot. That is real progress.
It is very encouraging that many of the economists backing him appear to be the same economists who saw the '08 crash coming and said-so. Problem is that they'll need to find a way of explaining what happened and why (and what needs to happen next) to our own bloody MPs before even starting to explain it to the electorate.
For all their Oxbridge educations and politico "smarts" the current shadow cabinet simply can't face the idea that so many of their friends and peer group, people they go to parties and play tennis with, could actually be the same people responsible for taking us to the brink of meltdown. Does not compute. Especially for Cooper.
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sanshee
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 04, 2015, 21:27
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I hope, hope he gets the gig.
We really need it up here, will show the SNP for how left they are 'not'.
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/13634157.SNP_hit_out_at_Jeremy_Corbyn_s_claims_the_party_appeals_to_too_many_right_wing_voters/
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 04, 2015, 21:29
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Excellent post as ever Ian, a whole bunch of great points you make there.
I've enjoyed this thread as much as any I've ever followed on here.
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jb lamptoast-morsley
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 04, 2015, 22:29
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Haven't posted here before, but I have been following this thread with great interest also. I have also found myself tuning into newsnight most nights to catch the latest updates, which is a first for me!
Read an interesting article in the I last Saturday which looked at the uphill battle Corbyn faces in getting elected. It argues that age groups are now a more significant factor than class in voting patterns. In the last election Labour had a slight advantage with the under 30's, but suffered greatly at the hands of the grey vote. Couple this with the fact that people over 60 have a far greater turn out in elections taken as a group and that as people age they tend to be more conservative - this is the market that Corbyn needs to crack so to speak.
I'm off to watch Newsnight
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thispoison
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 06, 2015, 00:54
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You never stop trying to trash the SNP do you? Why do you hate them more than the Tories? They are the enemy.
Clueless, absolutely clueless
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sanshee
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Edited Sep 06, 2015, 20:25
Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 06, 2015, 14:04
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thispoison wrote:
You never stop trying to trash the SNP do you? Why do you hate them more than the Tories? They are the enemy.
Clueless, absolutely clueless
The SNP created divisions that allowed the Tories in.
Simple as.
And it suits the both to keep it that way.
One cultivates English nationalism, the other Scottish Nationalism.
Oh and please don't tell me 'the SNP are not nationalists' that is BS.
During the GE run up they were handing out little saltires to the kiddies on the street stalls.
Same political tropes as BNP and UKIP. Disgusting.
We need to think together now, ref is over, yet still they have the odd newbie still yapping on about 'another one'.
What does that do for Scotland?
Not much, but allows the SNP to keep with the false narrative of 'keeping the tories out', preside over a sham of a police force (who on top of incompetence are routinely armed, levels of stop and search higher than inner city London, kids targeted also - please do your homework), and whose priorities include reducing corporation tax and air passenger duty (hardly socialist and hardly green - despite all their rhetoric).
Oh, and of course they like to big up how PFI is all a 'red tory/blue tory' construct yet here we have this.
Again and again they LIE about wiping out private spending on state projects.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/27/scottish-government-rely-private-money-public-projects-childrens-hospital-eu-rules-state-spending.
State guardians for under 18s (yet a reduced voting age of 16), a mega database, all there if you are interested.
Why do you think Corbyn would criticise them?
Because he's right wing?
Get real!
He sees through their utter hypocrisy!
More people have to as well, unless they are just voting for a flag, at least it's a pure position, but not one I'd ever subscriber to.
Makes me sick.
I am gald that they now are the third largest Westminster party for the fact more of their BS will be uncovered.
No where to hide.
Not any more.
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grufty jim
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 06, 2015, 21:50
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sanshee wrote: The SNP created divisions that allowed the Tories in.
Simple as.
So the tories get over one hundred more MPs in England than Labour... but you think it was the SNP that allowed the Tories in?
That's not "Simple as". It's just plain absurd.
The reason the Tories are in power is squarely down to the fact that Labour failed to offer a coherent alternative that the people of the UK actually wanted. It's got sod all to do with the SNP.
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sanshee
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 06, 2015, 22:51
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The polls in the run up to the GE up here did not help, I am not just talking about bare numbers.
How were English voters supposed to trust a party that spent three years trying to break away from them?
Would only create division, think about it.
I am glad however you did not disagree with my other points.
The SNP are a bunch of liars with all their bogus 'leftist' credentials.
Latest news from Police Scotland they have been swabbing queues of young folks outside a night clubs checking for drug use.
Not at the request of the owner or nowt, all to do with SNP targets.
Like I said truth about them is getting plenty of airing now.
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