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But in my experience and to my mind they ARE. They are MY personal facts. Maybe not yours. some of yours are not mine. Isn't that allowed ?
Personal facts aren't facts they are personal beliefs.
If it's something I have experienced it is a personal fact.
So would you care to clarify the difference between a "personal fact" and an actual fact?
Personal is actual. No problem.
Erm... not it isn't. If I personally experience Jesus Christ offering me a cigarette, I think we can be fairly sure that it didn't actually happen.
Why not ? How do you know beyond all doubt that it could not happen ?
I'm pretty sure JC didn't smoke ready-mades.
He might now ? Who knows ? Visiting the earth plane again is bound to make him a little tense.
Well it's always possible. But since we're speculating, it would be a supposition and not a fact ;)
Yeah, but if he actually visited you and gave you a fag, it would be a fact.
Only if it was verified and proved. Otherwise I would have no way of knowing whether I was hallucinating or misinterpreting an experience.
So if he actually visited you in his astral form, how would you prove it ?
Assuming that such a thing were possible, you couldn't prove it, so it would remain a supposition.
Not metaphysically speaking. It would be a fact. Dion Fortune was a highly advanced occultist and clearly explained the separate reality involved. Different laws, different levels etc
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