Julian Cope presents Head Heritage

How can you prove something that exists within its own framework entirely beyond the limited boundaries of materialistic science etc ? Anything in the psychic, metaphysical, spiritual or 'occult' realms is eminently provable as fact within its own terms by those experienced to any degree of operating within them.

How can you prove something that exists within its own framework entirely beyond the limited boundaries of materialistic science etc ?

Anything in the psychic, metaphysical, spiritual or 'occult' realms is eminently provable as fact within its own terms by those experienced to any degree of operating within them.

Glastonbury is a chakra in this respect, as it opens and helps develop individual spiritual energetic progression for those who want to work with its existing extremey powerful energy force.

No, the whole thing 'works' because it stays within parameters of the acceptable, or the vaguely possible. It 'can be imagined to have happened'. Thats why these baseless ideas are able to flourish.
If you take my belief about them singing 'my old mans a dustman' everbody feels they can safely discount it because it sounds so ridiculous, but your claims of Chakra etc are just as baseless, just as invented, just as meaningless.

Why can't you see it?

There is an argument to be had, and i'm a believer in it, that everybody does hold their own 'illusion' and it is probably a very helpful, healthy thing for the individual, but the contents of each individuals illusion should not be stated as fact. Its an 'internal' thing, a happy personal deception. I'm all for it, as we all go around with strange beliefs in our heads, but I can't stomach it when people blur the lines and start talking about chakras and merlin as fact.

I have found,. you go seek !

If one worked with specific spiritual practices, you would pretty soon discover that chakras are a spiritual/metaphysical fact. It's just that they're not part of your experience or belief system. Highly illumined and advanced men and women from so many cultures and traditions throughout the ages have discovered their 'strange beliefs' to be fact, and not deception. It's all about framework/knowledge system and levels of perception.

You can't. That's why these things are personal beliefs rather than fact.


"Within its own terms"? Seriously... this is almost exactly what Christians say about Jesus. "He must exist, because I have experienced him. I can prove he exists, because if you invite him into your life, you will experience him too".

If you can't empirically prove something, it isn't a fact - it's a belief.


I disagree. Having lived here for the best part of 20 years, my experience of Glastonbury has been quite the opposite. I've lost count of the number of druids, priestesses and pilgrims of various spiritual persuasions who spout similar stuff about the place, and turn out to be thieves, bullies and violent misogynists (I'm not suggesting that this applies to you).

To illustrate the utter pointlessness of this kind of assertion, i'll just say "No it isn't" and that I know that 3000 years ago it was covered in banana and cream trifle.

You won't shift me from that belief.

Its my life illusion, metaphysical, garden gnomic view.

I really don’t think you can use words like chakra (in relation to Glastonbury) without being able to back the assertion up somehow. As Mustard said earlier, if you want to say I believe Glastonbury is a chakra then fine (though I still think you should be able to back it up somehow otherwise it’s just as nebulous an idea as a million others out there jostling for respectability).

Backing beliefs up doesn’t have to be Hadron Collider proof-positive of the existence of the God particle – it can be done statistically (if not definitively) in other ways. For example, the fact that there are lesser occurrences of certain cancers in one culture compared to another is probably true, though it might be hard to prove it and even harder to prove that such-and-such a diet, or way of living, is the cause of that difference.

Another way to back up your belief is to maybe show there’s an etymological link between the word chakra and Glastonbury. I doubt if there is but if there is we might then be stepping out of the realms of (unsubstantiated) belief and into the realms of ‘maybe’. There was a lovely little example of etymological ‘connectivity’ on TV last night for example when our attention was drawn to the fact that the words yoga and yoke stem from the same Indo-European root word yougos meaning ‘union’ :-)

I wouldn't try to and completely respect your point of view. Om Shanti.

(psst: yes it is!)

And you can find similar statements attached to every religious belief. "I know Jesus is real, because he's talked to me." Subjective personal experience is not fact. The best you can hope to demonstrate is that a variety of people have interpreted subjective personal experience in similar ways.