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Evergreen Dazed 1881 posts |
Edited Jul 31, 2013, 14:19
Jul 31, 2013, 14:17
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woosh wrote: I wont insult you, ok ? Why have you written that? It suggests you would like to.
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Jul 31, 2013, 14:29
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Astralcat wrote: What a curiously dull and soulless place the world would be if we ignored all oral tradition, folk memory, myth and legend and just relied on your 'hard evidence' alone. Not for me, that's for sure... I really don’t think you can use words like chakra (in relation to Glastonbury) without being able to back the assertion up somehow. As Mustard said earlier, if you want to say I believe Glastonbury is a chakra then fine (though I still think you should be able to back it up somehow otherwise it’s just as nebulous an idea as a million others out there jostling for respectability). Backing beliefs up doesn’t have to be Hadron Collider proof-positive of the existence of the God particle – it can be done statistically (if not definitively) in other ways. For example, the fact that there are lesser occurrences of certain cancers in one culture compared to another is probably true, though it might be hard to prove it and even harder to prove that such-and-such a diet, or way of living, is the cause of that difference. Another way to back up your belief is to maybe show there’s an etymological link between the word chakra and Glastonbury. I doubt if there is but if there is we might then be stepping out of the realms of (unsubstantiated) belief and into the realms of ‘maybe’. There was a lovely little example of etymological ‘connectivity’ on TV last night for example when our attention was drawn to the fact that the words yoga and yoke stem from the same Indo-European root word yougos meaning ‘union’ :-)
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Evergreen Dazed 1881 posts |
Jul 31, 2013, 14:29
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Astralcat wrote: Glastonbury IS a chakra! To illustrate the utter pointlessness of this kind of assertion, i'll just say "No it isn't" and that I know that 3000 years ago it was covered in banana and cream trifle. You won't shift me from that belief. Its my life illusion, metaphysical, garden gnomic view.
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woosh 35 posts |
Jul 31, 2013, 14:45
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Perhaps they did play netball it fun and great for the spirit. 'we' do have knowledge about a leading group within the iron age people ( .. I dropped the D name especially for you) WHO like any other 'group' even today are difficult to categorize or define. . even antiquarians it seems !. this group built bull pits in france (insert you wise crack here) they gained many traditions and wisdom from india and ancient greece especially the oracle at delphi, these were the ancestors from which the true merlin of british history came ..
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Mustard 1043 posts |
Jul 31, 2013, 14:50
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woosh wrote: It was however important enough for joseph of aramathea himself to come to england and stake claim to this particular site in the name of christianity over paganism Unless you have some evidence that's unavailable to historians, that's a myth. Even the majority of Glastonbury-dwellers and new-agers accept that it's a myth.
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Mustard 1043 posts |
Jul 31, 2013, 14:51
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woosh wrote: they gained many traditions and wisdom from india and ancient greece especially the oracle at delphi, these were the ancestors from which the true merlin of british history came .. Sources? Evidence? You're repeating personal beliefs as facts. Facts are things that you can prove.
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woosh 35 posts |
Jul 31, 2013, 14:54
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I have found,. you go seek !
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Astralcat 742 posts |
Edited Jul 31, 2013, 14:58
Jul 31, 2013, 14:55
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Mustard wrote: Astralcat wrote: Anyway, speculation is essential and allows us to piece together enough information to regard it as good as or close to 'fact' where appropriate. Facts alone, important as they are, do not always do full justice to what we are investigating. They have to be linked and expanded in the process. Also, we haven't touched on metaphysical knowledge or 'fact'. I totally agree. Speculation is absolutely important, which is why I've consistently said that I have no problem with it. The mistake only arises when speculation is passed off as fact. Like "Glastonbury IS a chakra". If it's a chakra, then prove it. Otherwise, that statement is no different from any other religious belief... like "Jesus DID rise from the dead". Why not adopt the far more reasonable position of stating "I BELIEVE Glastonbury is a chakra? It's certainly possible to speculate about what the druids believed, but given the absence of any verifiable evidence, it's impossible to state with any degree of certainty what those beliefs were. We can have an interesting discussion about what they MIGHT have been, but that's as far as it goes. How can you prove something that exists within its own framework entirely beyond the limited boundaries of materialistic science etc ? Anything in the psychic, metaphysical, spiritual or 'occult' realms is eminently provable as fact within its own terms by those experienced to any degree of operating within them. Glastonbury is a chakra in this respect, as it opens and helps develop individual spiritual energetic progression for those who want to work with its existing extremey powerful energy force.
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Evergreen Dazed 1881 posts |
Jul 31, 2013, 14:58
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woosh wrote: Perhaps they did play netball it fun and great for the spirit. 'we' do have knowledge about a leading group within the iron age people ( .. I dropped the D name especially for you) WHO like any other 'group' even today are difficult to categorize or define. . even antiquarians it seems !. this group built bull pits in france (insert you wise crack here) they gained many traditions and wisdom from india and ancient greece especially the oracle at delphi, these were the ancestors from which the true merlin of british history came .. Ancestors of the true merlin... what??! You can believe what you like but you can prove nothing whatsoever. Its a pointless game. Don't you see? I believe they skipped around in stockings and suspenders singing 'my old mans a dustman'. Would anybody else like to have a go? It really is pointless to that degree.
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Astralcat 742 posts |
Jul 31, 2013, 14:59
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Om Namah Shivaya!
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