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harestonesdown 1067 posts |
Apr 03, 2013, 00:03
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bladup wrote: this place is very strange isn't it? There's a lot of baggage carried that's for sure. You still think megadread was banned. ;) As for owd Harry, not bothered who it is really, they'll either add to the discussions or not. and people are pretty good at spotting troll comments here, and treating them accordingly.
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bladup 1986 posts |
Apr 03, 2013, 11:58
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Bloody hell Roy, i've just got your book [thanks], and WOW, and that's just after seeing your model, it looks really great and certainly how i think it should look, i'll read it later, but your models done it for me, Bloody brilliant work Mr.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Edited Apr 03, 2013, 12:47
Apr 03, 2013, 12:45
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bladup wrote: Bloody hell Roy, i've just got your book [thanks], and WOW, and that's just after seeing your model, it looks really great and certainly how i think it should look, i'll read it later, but your models done it for me, Bloody brilliant work Mr. Thank you Paul. I tried to say that I wouldn't disappoint but I've had to stand abuse, personal attacks and constant disagreements with others over how things always were without prepared to accept alternatives. I answered all the questions as best I could but nothing was ever enough. Now the book is out it will get even worse. However, the personal attacks have done it for me and am now leaving the forum. I am really disappointed in the Eds that did nothing to reprimand the abuser who flagrantly flouted the rules about making personal attacks on fellow members and made me look like a complete novice at this game with nothing of value to contribute. I leave with one further thing to say and it answers a question I didn't reply to because it was so blindingly obvious. How do you research properly? You do it by firstly not believing what you are always told by your peers if something doesn't appear to be right. One 'expert' after another copies each others work because they are lazy and don't even attempt to see it differently yet become icons in the archaeological world and much respected. Open your eyes, look for alternatives and don't be afraid to break the mould. We amateurs only have our eyes, brains and downright common sense compared to what the professional has at their disposal. Use them! Bye all. Roy
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Evergreen Dazed 1881 posts |
Apr 03, 2013, 12:50
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Sanctuary wrote: I leave with one further thing to say and it answers a question I didn't reply to because it was so blindingly obvious. How do you research properly? That wasn't the question. It was 'How do you research a Quoit "correctly"'?
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Apr 03, 2013, 13:29
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Roy , I don't think you received anything like the level of abuse or personal attacks many others have received here and are still here posting .What is wrong with disagreeing , isn't that exactly what you are doing with your idea ? Appeals to “ common sense “ (don't you realise everyone has common sense and are often wrong ) “thinking out the box” ,”using your eyes and brains “ “don't be afraid to break the mould “ ( lol) are all meaningless platitudes , that's what we all do , what matters is not the appealing but the quality of the argument . You mention not believing your peers and “experts “ that also goes without saying , of course question everything , (btw your peers are those who post on here ) but there is no need for continual disparaging remarks about those who are not here to defend their views , but if somebody says that about you , you take offence . There were than just the “'How do you research a Quoit "correctly" '? questions left unanswered and I hope you return to answer them and continue with other non Trethevy centred posts too .
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moss 2897 posts |
Apr 03, 2013, 16:15
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Hi Tiompan, I feel partly to blame for all this and therefore with goodwill to those I respect on this forum, am throwing in the towel with some relief, and not about the latest debacle which is so surreal ;) ;) The reason why Roy left is because he cannot stand the aggressive behaviour on his thread; personally I would have closed it long ago but then.......... But I feel I do have to say something because a reply directed at me by Evergreen Dazed - which I did take note of but then refused to be drawn into an argument by the latter’s somewhat vindictive reply - my mistake ;). For a long time I have supported TMA because I hate conflict, aggressive behaviour and cruelty but no more! These things I am quite happy to fight in the real world, where real cruelty applies to both humans and animals, which seem so much more important than the written cruelty on this forum, and the need for people to score points – for Christ’s sake what is all that about?? I am fond of many people on TMA, you included tiompan, and in addressing this to you should not be taken in any form and shape as criticism of you, but an indication that the same principal that made me leave Heritage Action also holds firm and true here. So I shall no longer be posting any more, whether it be news, links or heaven forbid having to face saying something on the forum. I really do give up, and will turn my mind to the real world ;) Moss Love to those I know and admire xxx p.s. Doubt if you will get rid of Littlestone so easily by the way - those who choose to dislike him so much will find he is much more of a fighter than I am... http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/forum/?thread=68276&message=867776
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Lubin 509 posts |
Apr 03, 2013, 16:47
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You do it by firstly not believing what you are always told by your peers if something doesn't appear to be right. One 'expert' after another copies each others work because they are lazy and don't even attempt to see it differently yet become icons in the archaeological world and much respected. Open your eyes, look for alternatives and don't be afraid to break the mould. We amateurs only have our eyes, brains and downright common sense compared to what the professional has at their disposal. Use them! Bye all. Roy[/quote] Sorry to se you are leaving Roy as I have found your post well worth reading. It is very true what you say most of the "so called experts" are all afraid to think out side of the box but the comments they give are still only speculation as we will never really know how or why these stone objects were built. It is down to people like yourself who are willing to have a go and add a different viewpoint that make it more interesting, and hopefully will be of use to finding out the whys and hows in the future. It is a great pity certain people who come on this forum only seen to want to make trouble and not add anything of interest or even post on M.A. It only seem to be this forum where it happens as I've can't remember anything like it on the other three.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Apr 03, 2013, 19:05
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Hi Moss , and thanks for the explanation , which is helpful . I don't understand why you feel “partly to blame “ and assume the recent debacle wasn't in reference to the Trethevy thread , which apart from a small diversion wasn't particularly bad in the aggressive /rudeness stakes compared to some more recent examples whilst most of it was full of informative constructive criticism . If Roy thought so , fair enough but having read all the post on this thread I don't feel that there was anything that matches some of the abuse others have received here in the past . The source of EDG 's highlighted post , which I don't believe was in that abusive category , was a comment of Roy's that I picked up on “Others only think differently George because they have not researched the quoit correctly. “ Although this was never answered directly an indirect explanation from Roy today was “You do it by firstly not believing what you are always told by your peers if something doesn't appear to be right. One 'expert' after another copies each others work because they are lazy and don't even attempt to see it differently yet become icons in the archaeological world and much respected. Open your eyes, look for alternatives and don't be afraid to break the mould. We amateurs only have our eyes, brains and downright common sense compared to what the professional has at their disposal. “ This suggests that anyone who has a different view from Roy's or an “expert “ (always used pejoratively and in quotes ) have not used their eyes ,brains ,common sense ,are lazy etc . That attitude is what annoyed EDG . As you can imagine I don't think you should leave so won't embarrass you with exhortations to stay just hope you reconsider after a break .
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Apr 03, 2013, 20:00
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Lubin wrote: You do it by firstly not believing what you are always told by your peers if something doesn't appear to be right. One 'expert' after another copies each others work because they are lazy and don't even attempt to see it differently yet become icons in the archaeological world and much respected. Open your eyes, look for alternatives and don't be afraid to break the mould. We amateurs only have our eyes, brains and downright common sense compared to what the professional has at their disposal. Use them! Bye all. Roy Sorry to se you are leaving Roy as I have found your post well worth reading. It is very true what you say most of the "so called experts" are all afraid to think out side of the box but the comments they give are still only speculation as we will never really know how or why these stone objects were built. It is down to people like yourself who are willing to have a go and add a different viewpoint that make it more interesting, and hopefully will be of use to finding out the whys and hows in the future. It is a great pity certain people who come on this forum only seen to want to make trouble and not add anything of interest or even post on M.A. It only seem to be this forum where it happens as I've can't remember anything like it on the other three.[/quote] Lubin , the "so called experts " approach for me is no more helpful than " "ignorant amateurs " . I have heard the former since I was a kid and tends to be suggestive of a chip on the shoulder whilst the latter smacks of snobbery . However statistically experts tend to be better informed at their subject than amateurs and you do get expert amateurs and all get it wrong sometimes . Surely what matters is the quality not it's source . Similarly "thinking outside the box " which used to be "think laterally " or appeals to "common sense" , "use your brains " are no more helpful and essentially meaningless . How often has common sense been shown to be wrong ,and who's common sense ,every idiot thinks they use their common sense . What might be "thinking out of the box " for one will be "common sense " or obvious to another .
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Harryshill 510 posts |
Apr 03, 2013, 20:58
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Maybe with some people gone I might be able to have a say without the venom. I 'm not wonderful with words and this I understand but to have two or three people jump on me for making remarks that others say without recourse, well that not right. Rudeness will always bring about rudeness and I have been guilty of that I'm sorry to say. I just got bored with the sales pitch.
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