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Sanctuary
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 01, 2013, 11:15
Littlestone wrote:
Many thanks for that.

If I’ve understood correctly we’re now faced with a secondary problem – ie that to properly conserve the structure not only does the bank need to be extended but also that the whole thing needs to be taken down and (correctly) reassembled. There are precedents for that sort of remedial work (think the Leaning Tower of Pisa) where unsuitable materials or techniques have been used on works of art etc. Could we ever hope that English Heritage would embark on such a programme at Trethevy...

The alternative is stark though. As you say, the structure will one day come down – if nothing is done now to stabilise it that’s likely to be sooner rather than later :-(


My latest information is that EH engineers consider the structure as secure but will monitor the situation and are quite happy for the public to carry on as usual with free access to it. The field has now been harrowed over and it would seem that all is as it was. I will visit shortly and report back.
Quite what is being done to keep stock off the banked base to the monument in the future when allowed to graze in the field I am yet to find out, but I do know that there is an exclusion zone written-in to the deeds which go with the land. Obviously this was breached but what the outcome will be to that I don't know.
Littlestone
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 01, 2013, 14:47
Sanctuary wrote:
Quite what is being done to keep stock off the banked base to the monument in the future when allowed to graze in the field I am yet to find out, but I do know that there is an exclusion zone written-in to the deeds which go with the land. Obviously this was breached but what the outcome will be to that I don't know.


Be interesting to know how far the exclusion zone actually extends. The deeds are presumably with English Heritage – could ask them for a copy, and if they’re reluctant to comply a Freedom of Information request maybe? If EH have failed to enforce the exclusion zone they’re on shaky ground (pun intended :-)
Sanctuary
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 01, 2013, 15:07
Littlestone wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
Quite what is being done to keep stock off the banked base to the monument in the future when allowed to graze in the field I am yet to find out, but I do know that there is an exclusion zone written-in to the deeds which go with the land. Obviously this was breached but what the outcome will be to that I don't know.


Be interesting to know how far the exclusion zone actually extends. The deeds are presumably with English Heritage – could ask them for a copy, and if they’re reluctant to comply a Freedom of Information request maybe? If EH have failed to enforce the exclusion zone they’re on shaky ground (pun intended :-)


Well I've never seen horses in the field before only sheep (if they're not bad enough as it is but EH doesn't seem to worry about them elsewhere, Avebury being an example) and I believe the exclusion zone is 6ft. Now, if the landowner was to comply with that if horses came in again, I wonder if he can then erect a solid fence around the quoit (being his land) just leaving an entrance for the public to enter? It would preserve the monument from the horses but be pretty dull to look at wouldn't it.
Littlestone
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Edited Mar 01, 2013, 16:04
Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 01, 2013, 15:54
Sanctuary wrote:
...I wonder if he can then erect a solid fence around the quoit (being his land) just leaving an entrance for the public to enter? It would preserve the monument from the horses but be pretty dull to look at wouldn't it.


A six foot exclusion zone really isn’t big enough is it, and a fence around an area that small would be an eyesore. The exclusion zone would need to be increased to what? 50 foot? before a fence at that distance no longer impinged visually on the monument. Wouldn’t need to be a fence either, a hawthorn hedge with a gate in it would do the trick. Have a grassed area between the quoit and the hedge, a couple of benches there maybe, and suddenly it’s a place of wonder and respect for the monument (and the people who made it) instead of the muck and chaos that surrounds it now.

Just a vision, a little money and the will to make it happen...
bladup
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 01, 2013, 17:24
Littlestone wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
...I wonder if he can then erect a solid fence around the quoit (being his land) just leaving an entrance for the public to enter? It would preserve the monument from the horses but be pretty dull to look at wouldn't it.


A six foot exclusion zone really isn’t big enough is it, and a fence around an area that small would be an eyesore. The exclusion zone would need to be increased to what? 50 foot? before a fence at that distance no longer impinged visually on the monument. Wouldn’t need to be a fence either, a hawthorn hedge with a gate in it would do the trick. Have a grassed area between the quoit and the hedge, a couple of benches there maybe, and suddenly it’s a place of wonder and respect for the monument (and the people who made it) instead of the muck and chaos that surrounds it now.

Just a vision, a little money and the will to make it happen...


And get rid of that horrible row of houses right next to it as well, it's a great place but they are very depressing, because of those give me Zennor/Mulfra or Chun's position anyday, This chat always gives me a horrible thought - that Trethevy is going to fall around the same time that The Giant's quoit gets put back up, bloody hope not.
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 01, 2013, 17:44
bladup wrote:
Littlestone wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
...I wonder if he can then erect a solid fence around the quoit (being his land) just leaving an entrance for the public to enter? It would preserve the monument from the horses but be pretty dull to look at wouldn't it.


A six foot exclusion zone really isn’t big enough is it, and a fence around an area that small would be an eyesore. The exclusion zone would need to be increased to what? 50 foot? before a fence at that distance no longer impinged visually on the monument. Wouldn’t need to be a fence either, a hawthorn hedge with a gate in it would do the trick. Have a grassed area between the quoit and the hedge, a couple of benches there maybe, and suddenly it’s a place of wonder and respect for the monument (and the people who made it) instead of the muck and chaos that surrounds it now.

Just a vision, a little money and the will to make it happen...


And get rid of that horrible row of houses right next to it as well, it's a great place but they are very depressing, because of those give me Zennor/Mulfra or Chun's position anyday, This chat always gives me a horrible thought - that Trethevy is going to fall around the same time that The Giant's quoit gets put back up, bloody hope not.


I'm planning to go to the Giant's House exhibition and archaeo talk at The Cornwall Centre, Redruth on the 7th March Paul.
bladup
bladup
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 01, 2013, 18:53
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
Littlestone wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
...I wonder if he can then erect a solid fence around the quoit (being his land) just leaving an entrance for the public to enter? It would preserve the monument from the horses but be pretty dull to look at wouldn't it.


A six foot exclusion zone really isn’t big enough is it, and a fence around an area that small would be an eyesore. The exclusion zone would need to be increased to what? 50 foot? before a fence at that distance no longer impinged visually on the monument. Wouldn’t need to be a fence either, a hawthorn hedge with a gate in it would do the trick. Have a grassed area between the quoit and the hedge, a couple of benches there maybe, and suddenly it’s a place of wonder and respect for the monument (and the people who made it) instead of the muck and chaos that surrounds it now.

Just a vision, a little money and the will to make it happen...


And get rid of that horrible row of houses right next to it as well, it's a great place but they are very depressing, because of those give me Zennor/Mulfra or Chun's position anyday, This chat always gives me a horrible thought - that Trethevy is going to fall around the same time that The Giant's quoit gets put back up, bloody hope not.


I'm planning to go to the Giant's House exhibition and archaeo talk at The Cornwall Centre, Redruth on the 7th March Paul.


It's worried me how it's gone very quickly from "we're going to put it back up" to "we're hopefully going to put it back up if we can raise the money", I thought they had the money from lottery funding for the whole reconstruction, now it looks like they only had it for the work so far, Hopefully at the exhibition you can find out what the situation is.
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 01, 2013, 19:01
bladup wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
Littlestone wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
...I wonder if he can then erect a solid fence around the quoit (being his land) just leaving an entrance for the public to enter? It would preserve the monument from the horses but be pretty dull to look at wouldn't it.


A six foot exclusion zone really isn’t big enough is it, and a fence around an area that small would be an eyesore. The exclusion zone would need to be increased to what? 50 foot? before a fence at that distance no longer impinged visually on the monument. Wouldn’t need to be a fence either, a hawthorn hedge with a gate in it would do the trick. Have a grassed area between the quoit and the hedge, a couple of benches there maybe, and suddenly it’s a place of wonder and respect for the monument (and the people who made it) instead of the muck and chaos that surrounds it now.

Just a vision, a little money and the will to make it happen...


And get rid of that horrible row of houses right next to it as well, it's a great place but they are very depressing, because of those give me Zennor/Mulfra or Chun's position anyday, This chat always gives me a horrible thought - that Trethevy is going to fall around the same time that The Giant's quoit gets put back up, bloody hope not.


I'm planning to go to the Giant's House exhibition and archaeo talk at The Cornwall Centre, Redruth on the 7th March Paul.


It's worried me how it's gone very quickly from "we're going to put it back up" to "we're hopefully going to put it back up if we can raise the money", I thought they had the money from lottery funding for the whole reconstruction, now it looks like they only had it for the work so far, Hopefully at the exhibition you can find out what the situation is.


It's a bit like the two circles on Emblance Down to be re-erected. Planned for this summer with the funding in place...now its IF the funding is still in place to put a FEW stones up!
bladup
bladup
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Edited Mar 01, 2013, 20:10
Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 01, 2013, 20:09
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
Littlestone wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
...I wonder if he can then erect a solid fence around the quoit (being his land) just leaving an entrance for the public to enter? It would preserve the monument from the horses but be pretty dull to look at wouldn't it.


A six foot exclusion zone really isn’t big enough is it, and a fence around an area that small would be an eyesore. The exclusion zone would need to be increased to what? 50 foot? before a fence at that distance no longer impinged visually on the monument. Wouldn’t need to be a fence either, a hawthorn hedge with a gate in it would do the trick. Have a grassed area between the quoit and the hedge, a couple of benches there maybe, and suddenly it’s a place of wonder and respect for the monument (and the people who made it) instead of the muck and chaos that surrounds it now.

Just a vision, a little money and the will to make it happen...


And get rid of that horrible row of houses right next to it as well, it's a great place but they are very depressing, because of those give me Zennor/Mulfra or Chun's position anyday, This chat always gives me a horrible thought - that Trethevy is going to fall around the same time that The Giant's quoit gets put back up, bloody hope not.


I'm planning to go to the Giant's House exhibition and archaeo talk at The Cornwall Centre, Redruth on the 7th March Paul.


It's worried me how it's gone very quickly from "we're going to put it back up" to "we're hopefully going to put it back up if we can raise the money", I thought they had the money from lottery funding for the whole reconstruction, now it looks like they only had it for the work so far, Hopefully at the exhibition you can find out what the situation is.


It's a bit like the two circles on Emblance Down to be re-erected. Planned for this summer with the funding in place...now its IF the funding is still in place to put a FEW stones up!


It's a joke Roy, I've built 2 stone circles, one on my own and one with someone else, I did it all properly, I used packers and the stones didn't move even if you kicked or jumped on them, The council took one down with diggers because the person who came kicked one and flew back onto his arse [we were howling with laughter], he then tried pulling it out, it didn't move, he then went back to kicking it, it still didn't move, that's why they had to get a digger. The point being - they make something free and easy [we'd do it for free], very hard and expensive indeed.
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 01, 2013, 20:56
bladup wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
Littlestone wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
...I wonder if he can then erect a solid fence around the quoit (being his land) just leaving an entrance for the public to enter? It would preserve the monument from the horses but be pretty dull to look at wouldn't it.


A six foot exclusion zone really isn’t big enough is it, and a fence around an area that small would be an eyesore. The exclusion zone would need to be increased to what? 50 foot? before a fence at that distance no longer impinged visually on the monument. Wouldn’t need to be a fence either, a hawthorn hedge with a gate in it would do the trick. Have a grassed area between the quoit and the hedge, a couple of benches there maybe, and suddenly it’s a place of wonder and respect for the monument (and the people who made it) instead of the muck and chaos that surrounds it now.

Just a vision, a little money and the will to make it happen...


And get rid of that horrible row of houses right next to it as well, it's a great place but they are very depressing, because of those give me Zennor/Mulfra or Chun's position anyday, This chat always gives me a horrible thought - that Trethevy is going to fall around the same time that The Giant's quoit gets put back up, bloody hope not.


I'm planning to go to the Giant's House exhibition and archaeo talk at The Cornwall Centre, Redruth on the 7th March Paul.


It's worried me how it's gone very quickly from "we're going to put it back up" to "we're hopefully going to put it back up if we can raise the money", I thought they had the money from lottery funding for the whole reconstruction, now it looks like they only had it for the work so far, Hopefully at the exhibition you can find out what the situation is.


It's a bit like the two circles on Emblance Down to be re-erected. Planned for this summer with the funding in place...now its IF the funding is still in place to put a FEW stones up!


It's a joke Roy, I've built 2 stone circles, one on my own and one with someone else, I did it all properly, I used packers and the stones didn't move even if you kicked or jumped on them, The council took one down with diggers because the person who came kicked one and flew back onto his arse [we were howling with laughter], he then tried pulling it out, it didn't move, he then went back to kicking it, it still didn't move, that's why they had to get a digger. The point being - they make something free and easy [we'd do it for free], very hard and expensive indeed.


Ah, well the on-site archaeo comes expensive. Someones got to keep the lackies in order and make sure the stones don't get put back upside down:-)
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