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bladup
bladup
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger/Dymond Ground Plan
Mar 06, 2013, 19:54
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
It doesn't look right because the back end of the capstone has pushed the backstone into the chamber and was then lucky [or forward thinking builders] to then rest on the side slabs, making that crazy sloping angle, it would have had a slope but not that much, Why didn't you talk to us all while writing your book?


Why would I want to do that for Paul, you don't understand the quoit more than I do about flying to the moon :-)
You claim to get all these 'feelings', that great, but it obviously doesn't help you to understand them. I never go by feeling but by what I see before me IN DETAIL.
Sorry, but that was a bit of a rant.


Read my other comment and you want to see what i've seen at Zennor before commenting on my feelings, i asked a question there and got shown everything, It will blow your mind and proves the old drawing to be right, these people didn't think like modern builders, I'll show you if your ever down this way.


I'm looking forward to that as I love the place.


It's so simple, but would be very hard to explain and very very easy to show you, and it all clicked into place for me by going there and believing the old drawing [which as you know i'd never done], when your next down give us a shout and i'll meet you there or you can grap me on the way there, anytime you like, I'd love to show you the things i've learnt at Zennor, Mulfra and bosporthennis Quoits, all simple but unknown things, I really understand what you said about you knowing what you know about Trethevy by spending so long there, because it's only by countless visits and hours at the sites that i've seen what i've seen, and i'd like to show you because apart from that i have no urge to show or tell anyone else and if i'm right would lay no claim on the knowledge myself, i just want to show you, it really should have been last year when you were writing your book but things went pearshaped for awhile, I really think the key to understanding trethevy better is Zennor, did you learn much from Zennor Roy?
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
4670 posts

Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger/Dymond Ground Plan
Mar 06, 2013, 21:25
bladup wrote:


It's so simple, but would be very hard to explain and very very easy to show you, and it all clicked into place for me by going there and believing the old drawing [which as you know i'd never done], when your next down give us a shout and i'll meet you there or you can grap me on the way there, anytime you like, I'd love to show you the things i've learnt at Zennor, Mulfra and bosporthennis Quoits, all simple but unknown things, I really understand what you said about you knowing what you know about Trethevy by spending so long there, because it's only by countless visits and hours at the sites that i've seen what i've seen, and i'd like to show you because apart from that i have no urge to show or tell anyone else and if i'm right would lay no claim on the knowledge myself, i just want to show you, it really should have been last year when you were writing your book but things went pearshaped for awhile, I really think the key to understanding trethevy better is Zennor, did you learn much from Zennor Roy?


Well I went to Zennor twice last year Paul. The first time just to see it, take as many pix as I could, both inside and out and generally take it all in. The second time, two weeks later, with a friend to hold the tape, as I took measurements all over it. Checked out the facade stone on the right and worked out by the spacings of the drill marks to find which of the uprights in the structure in front of it erected by that farmer geezer had come from it.
Strolled around a bit then went home.
Got a good feeling there and when I get the time I will sit down and have a serious look at all the info. Can't do it all at once.
bladup
bladup
1986 posts

Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger/Dymond Ground Plan
Mar 06, 2013, 22:28
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:


It's so simple, but would be very hard to explain and very very easy to show you, and it all clicked into place for me by going there and believing the old drawing [which as you know i'd never done], when your next down give us a shout and i'll meet you there or you can grap me on the way there, anytime you like, I'd love to show you the things i've learnt at Zennor, Mulfra and bosporthennis Quoits, all simple but unknown things, I really understand what you said about you knowing what you know about Trethevy by spending so long there, because it's only by countless visits and hours at the sites that i've seen what i've seen, and i'd like to show you because apart from that i have no urge to show or tell anyone else and if i'm right would lay no claim on the knowledge myself, i just want to show you, it really should have been last year when you were writing your book but things went pearshaped for awhile, I really think the key to understanding trethevy better is Zennor, did you learn much from Zennor Roy?


Well I went to Zennor twice last year Paul. The first time just to see it, take as many pix as I could, both inside and out and generally take it all in. The second time, two weeks later, with a friend to hold the tape, as I took measurements all over it. Checked out the facade stone on the right and worked out by the spacings of the drill marks to find which of the uprights in the structure in front of it erected by that farmer geezer had come from it.
Strolled around a bit then went home.
Got a good feeling there and when I get the time I will sit down and have a serious look at all the info. Can't do it all at once.


If the old pictures right, how do you think it could have been two almost sealed chambers without it been dry stone walling? and did you notice the big bumps on the tops of the sideslabs? it is perfectly shaped to have held a big granite slab or even a timber lid, it's so clear and i can't believe it's not been noticed before, and there's 2 to show it's clearly meant, the 2 stones would have been the smallest and thinnest on site so easily broken up and they would have been the first to go or if wooden clearly gone 1000's of years ago, you should be able to see it on your photo's, the only trouble is it's best to be able to see both sideslabs in one picture to see how it would have rested in place, I'd love to know what you think, i didn't know you had lots of shots of the inside, did you get in it Roy? if you did, well done, I think george might even like it because it stays totally true to the old drawing, it just seals the 2 chambers up, and i've seen the sort of slabs they'd need on the nearby tors, so the right sort of shapes for the job were available to them as well, anyway you can see where and how a stone was once held in place on the top of both chambers but below the capstone, it's the only way to seal the chambers and stay true to the old drawing and all the components are there for it all to happen and it's bloody genus by the builders, I love the place.
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
4670 posts

Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger/Dymond Ground Plan
Mar 06, 2013, 23:27
bladup wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:


It's so simple, but would be very hard to explain and very very easy to show you, and it all clicked into place for me by going there and believing the old drawing [which as you know i'd never done], when your next down give us a shout and i'll meet you there or you can grap me on the way there, anytime you like, I'd love to show you the things i've learnt at Zennor, Mulfra and bosporthennis Quoits, all simple but unknown things, I really understand what you said about you knowing what you know about Trethevy by spending so long there, because it's only by countless visits and hours at the sites that i've seen what i've seen, and i'd like to show you because apart from that i have no urge to show or tell anyone else and if i'm right would lay no claim on the knowledge myself, i just want to show you, it really should have been last year when you were writing your book but things went pearshaped for awhile, I really think the key to understanding trethevy better is Zennor, did you learn much from Zennor Roy?


Well I went to Zennor twice last year Paul. The first time just to see it, take as many pix as I could, both inside and out and generally take it all in. The second time, two weeks later, with a friend to hold the tape, as I took measurements all over it. Checked out the facade stone on the right and worked out by the spacings of the drill marks to find which of the uprights in the structure in front of it erected by that farmer geezer had come from it.
Strolled around a bit then went home.
Got a good feeling there and when I get the time I will sit down and have a serious look at all the info. Can't do it all at once.


If the old pictures right, how do you think it could have been two almost sealed chambers without it been dry stone walling? and did you notice the big bumps on the tops of the sideslabs? it is perfectly shaped to have held a big granite slab or even a timber lid, it's so clear and i can't believe it's not been noticed before, and there's 2 to show it's clearly meant, the 2 stones would have been the smallest and thinnest on site so easily broken up and they would have been the first to go or if wooden clearly gone 1000's of years ago, you should be able to see it on your photo's, the only trouble is it's best to be able to see both sideslabs in one picture to see how it would have rested in place, I'd love to know what you think, i didn't know you had lots of shots of the inside, did you get in it Roy? if you did, well done, I think george might even like it because it stays totally true to the old drawing, it just seals the 2 chambers up, and i've seen the sort of slabs they'd need on the nearby tors, so the right sort of shapes for the job were available to them as well, anyway you can see where and how a stone was once held in place on the top of both chambers but below the capstone, it's the only way to seal the chambers and stay true to the old drawing and all the components are there for it all to happen and it's bloody genus by the builders, I love the place.


Seek and you will find Paul. Look at this, ever seen it before. I bet you haven't because you've never looked for it. I did because I was researching and noting EVERYTHING down then looked at it all later when I had a different head on...the calculating one!
https://picasaweb.google.com/100525707086862773355/KeyingPoint?authkey=Gv1sRgCMSzjt2UluH4hwE#5852372274551030978

No it's not at Zennor, it has it's own which a have fimed and videod for when I get around to working on it, this is at Trethevy and never been mentioned before, just like those at Zennor have never been mentioned. Nobody has ever asked why the builders cut 15ft wide granite stones down on the diagonal and left keying points in certain places. Why not? How can you research something if you dont take down ALL the detail!!
bladup
bladup
1986 posts

Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger/Dymond Ground Plan
Mar 06, 2013, 23:44
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:


It's so simple, but would be very hard to explain and very very easy to show you, and it all clicked into place for me by going there and believing the old drawing [which as you know i'd never done], when your next down give us a shout and i'll meet you there or you can grap me on the way there, anytime you like, I'd love to show you the things i've learnt at Zennor, Mulfra and bosporthennis Quoits, all simple but unknown things, I really understand what you said about you knowing what you know about Trethevy by spending so long there, because it's only by countless visits and hours at the sites that i've seen what i've seen, and i'd like to show you because apart from that i have no urge to show or tell anyone else and if i'm right would lay no claim on the knowledge myself, i just want to show you, it really should have been last year when you were writing your book but things went pearshaped for awhile, I really think the key to understanding trethevy better is Zennor, did you learn much from Zennor Roy?


Well I went to Zennor twice last year Paul. The first time just to see it, take as many pix as I could, both inside and out and generally take it all in. The second time, two weeks later, with a friend to hold the tape, as I took measurements all over it. Checked out the facade stone on the right and worked out by the spacings of the drill marks to find which of the uprights in the structure in front of it erected by that farmer geezer had come from it.
Strolled around a bit then went home.
Got a good feeling there and when I get the time I will sit down and have a serious look at all the info. Can't do it all at once.


If the old pictures right, how do you think it could have been two almost sealed chambers without it been dry stone walling? and did you notice the big bumps on the tops of the sideslabs? it is perfectly shaped to have held a big granite slab or even a timber lid, it's so clear and i can't believe it's not been noticed before, and there's 2 to show it's clearly meant, the 2 stones would have been the smallest and thinnest on site so easily broken up and they would have been the first to go or if wooden clearly gone 1000's of years ago, you should be able to see it on your photo's, the only trouble is it's best to be able to see both sideslabs in one picture to see how it would have rested in place, I'd love to know what you think, i didn't know you had lots of shots of the inside, did you get in it Roy? if you did, well done, I think george might even like it because it stays totally true to the old drawing, it just seals the 2 chambers up, and i've seen the sort of slabs they'd need on the nearby tors, so the right sort of shapes for the job were available to them as well, anyway you can see where and how a stone was once held in place on the top of both chambers but below the capstone, it's the only way to seal the chambers and stay true to the old drawing and all the components are there for it all to happen and it's bloody genus by the builders, I love the place.


Seek and you will find Paul. Look at this, ever seen it before. I bet you haven't because you've never looked for it. I did because I was researching and noting EVERYTHING down then looked at it all later when I had a different head on...the calculating one!
https://picasaweb.google.com/100525707086862773355/KeyingPoint?authkey=Gv1sRgCMSzjt2UluH4hwE#5852372274551030978

No it's not at Zennor, it has it's own which a have fimed and videod for when I get around to working on it, this is at Trethevy and never been mentioned before, just like those at Zennor have never been mentioned. Nobody has ever asked why the builders cut 15ft wide granite stones down on the diagonal and left keying points in certain places. Why not? How can you research something if you dont take down ALL the detail!!


We really do need them 3D scanned, then people will see what we've seen, this is great the devil is in the detail, cornwall has quite a few worked stones, off the top of my head - trethevy, Zennor, The hurlers, the carvings at Boscawen-un, tregiffian, 3 brothers, so it's not unusual to find worked stones at all, brilliant stuff Roy, when you get time have a look at your Zennor pictures, and if the missus wants you out at any time again i'd love to show you in the flesh because it's the best way to show each other what we've seen and i would love to know what someone else thinks.
The Heritage Trust
23 posts

Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 08, 2013, 15:57
Mr Goutté has sent in some recent photographs showing the present condition of the land around Trethevy Quoit.
harestonesdown
1067 posts

Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 08, 2013, 16:12
The Heritage Trust wrote:
Mr Goutté has sent in some recent photographs showing the present condition of the land around Trethevy Quoit.



Apologies if this has been covered before but who/what is "The Heritage Trust" ? I'm lost with all these societies and trusts etc that post on here, is it an arm of heritage action ? or something totally different ?
bladup
bladup
1986 posts

Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 08, 2013, 16:29
It's a step in the right direction, now it's important that at the very least nothing bigger than sheep are ever in the field, it really needs buying up by the NT and just mowing now and again and very soon you'd have lovely rare wild flowers growing in the field within a few years and all the others creatures that would bring, i must say up in Scotland they're very good at mowing grass at the looked after ancient sites, they even do the Clava cairns every couple of weeks in the summer to keep it nice, now that's a job eh, gardening and keeping tidy Ancient sites, there should be teams out there to look after them and do the gardening, i can think of a few people on here [myself included] that would love to do that if it was a real job, in fact it would be the best job in the world, shame it doesn't exist.
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
4670 posts

Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 08, 2013, 16:57
bladup wrote:
It's a step in the right direction, now it's important that at the very least nothing bigger than sheep are ever in the field, it really needs buying up by the NT and just mowing now and again and very soon you'd have lovely rare wild flowers growing in the field within a few years and all the others creatures that would bring, i must say up in Scotland they're very good at mowing grass at the looked after ancient sites, they even do the Clava cairns every couple of weeks in the summer to keep it nice, now that's a job eh, gardening and keeping tidy Ancient sites, there should be teams out there to look after them and do the gardening, i can think of a few people on here [myself included] that would love to do that if it was a real job, in fact it would be the best job in the world, shame it doesn't exist.


After seeing the video I took the other week, a certain gentleman mentioned recently who featured the quoit in his book in the 80's, commented on 'How distressing it was' seeing it in its present condition!
bladup
bladup
1986 posts

Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 08, 2013, 17:03
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
It's a step in the right direction, now it's important that at the very least nothing bigger than sheep are ever in the field, it really needs buying up by the NT and just mowing now and again and very soon you'd have lovely rare wild flowers growing in the field within a few years and all the others creatures that would bring, i must say up in Scotland they're very good at mowing grass at the looked after ancient sites, they even do the Clava cairns every couple of weeks in the summer to keep it nice, now that's a job eh, gardening and keeping tidy Ancient sites, there should be teams out there to look after them and do the gardening, i can think of a few people on here [myself included] that would love to do that if it was a real job, in fact it would be the best job in the world, shame it doesn't exist.


After seeing the video I took the other week, a certain gentleman mentioned recently who featured the quoit in his book in the 80's, commented on 'How distressing it was' seeing it in its present condition!


Any info on it's movement from him Roy? did he have any thoughts? i do realise it would probably be foolish for him to comment over the computer but it may have been that obvious to him, if you'd like to keep it to yourself i'd understand that as well.
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