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drewbhoy
drewbhoy
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Re: Deliberately conciliatory remarks
Mar 03, 2012, 11:45
Nah, you should stay, the more the merrier. In my opinion everybody should be able to have their point of view and be free to post it. People like you keep clueless idiots like me informed. Anyway I wished this bickering would stop as to me it seems a waste of time. Onywhy you should stay. Fitba time for me.
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
4670 posts

Re: Climbing on Standing Stones
Mar 03, 2012, 12:02
drewbhoy wrote:
tjj wrote:
Resonox wrote:
tjj wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:
The Eternal wrote:
Whilst I haven't read most of the posts, those I have read have confirmed one thing: TMA members seem to be in agreement for once, which has to be good.


Hello TE, I think perhaps you need to read more of the posts. :-)


I was thinking this too tsc and dropped out of the discussion after the remark about 'old biddies taking photographs being just as much desecrators as louts ...'. Speaking as a mature female person this stung momentarily but it certainly won't stop me pursuing an activity which gives me a great deal of stimulation and enjoyment; and of course, out of respect, I won't be climbing/sitting on any ancient stones. Here's to fresh air, the walk, the buzzard overhead and the occasional sighting of deer or a fox - as we make our way to some of the more out of the way ancient sites. Keep on keeping on!!

Edit: Just in case someone says I've misquoted - this is a copy and paste of what was written ...

Not much of a rumble if everyone wants to get on to old biddies taking pictures but not the louts taking a piss.....treat 'em all as the desecrators they are!


There was no need to copy and paste you could have "quoted" the post....You are DELIBERATELY trying to fan flames...for whatever reason..I do not know...I just wish you had taken on board the sentiment of the remark rather than tried to dissemble the semantics...and as for trying to turn this whole thing into some kind of personal attack on you...it is nothing short of deplorable. I know (from past experience) there will be a crowd of people jumping to "defend you" as they do even when you don't need defending because you need constant attention...and as for playing the age card for sympathy....once again deplorable....I promised the Eds I wouldn't react to your flaming but despite my best intentions and constantly giving you the benefit of the doubt...I can only assume that you are a really sad person who needs and craves reassurances. if the Eds decide I have crossed a line I fully accept that but for someone who "feels threatened in the company of strangers and peers" to the extent of being shocked by their actions when they climb on stones..but not shocked enough to say so to them on the day....you are brave enough to ATTACK strangers on these boards behind the comfort of you keyboard...once again..DEPLORABLE!!!!
This thread is not and never was about you...but you so want it to be and for the record...I am also "of a certain age"...and I come from a background where the term "biddy" is unisex...just because you checked the OD meaning and saw it as a personal insult is no excuse to keep ranting on about it.
Once again I apologise to the Eds for not ignoring a personal attack and doubtless fanning this silly(no apology) woman's attempts at flaming...there will, as I said be countless..."let's defend poor little June" posts which will subvert the whole discussion...if I lose posting rights for DEFENDING myself against an unwarranted attack...so be it!


I make absolutely no attempt to respond to this except to say for the record at no point anywhere on this thread did I say I felt "threatened by the company of strangers or peers". Its unlikely that anyone will jump to my defence (nor would I want them too) because they have all been banned - as I'm sure you know. Am going out into the fresh air now.


Eh Tjj, I hinna been banned yet!


Nor me!! I thought we were doing okay on this thread so c'mon guys let's all settle down and continue posting and just get on with things. Life's too short and all that stuff.
GLADMAN
949 posts

Re: Deliberately conciliatory remarks
Mar 04, 2012, 13:11
drewbhoy wrote:
Nah, you should stay, the more the merrier. In my opinion everybody should be able to have their point of view and be free to post it. People like you keep clueless idiots like me informed. Anyway I wished this bickering would stop as to me it seems a waste of time. Onywhy you should stay. Fitba time for me.


We also need to accept that the 'Cope message' - however you might coherently define it - would appear deliberately antagonistic.... specifically to cause heated debate about subjects which previously were limited to trained academics. Some TMA members clearly possess high grade expertise .... we have professional photographers, authors, archaeologists.... others, like myself, rely on a bog standard schooling and enthusiasm for the subject matter to try and make a difference. I believe we need both types - and every possible variation in between. To my mind Cope is a visionary, but thankfully his 'vision' isn't utopian. There is no end of the rainbow where we all live happily ever after, just a desire that those who are up for it make an attempt to revisit and challenge how we relate to the metaphysical aspects of being human and living on this planet. That's all!!! Really fundamental stuff. I've been trying to do that, building upon extreme experiences as a young man climbing the mountains of Wales, trying to explain 'why I feel this way' when in such locations and noting that people in prehistory had consistently chosen the same spots to apparently perform their rituals... I think I read once that Aldous Huxley said his father viewed walking in the mountains as the equivalent of going to church... if so, I know what he meant. However there is no sacred text if you choose the former, just what can be determined from your own senses. In short I, and I suspect many others, are making this up as we go along. Consequently arguments will not be clearly defined, often incoherent fragments of observation, experience or whatever to throw into the collective 'pot', perhaps for the more academic members to collate and add structure, so we all can deliberate upon.

So since there is such a cross-section of the community posting here misconceptions, misunderstandings... OK and the odd deliberately provocative statement - will always lead to conflict. But, hey, contented people merely maintain the status quo, will never change anything. This is fine if 'it ain't broke', but I think there's general consensus here that the state of our prehistoric heritage is currently 'broke' and needs fixing. I'm not naive enough to think the world in general will ever view not only the protection, but the evaluation of our prehistoric heritage as of any major priority.... obviously there are many, many people dying from a myriad of causes, extreme poverty, exploitation, religious subjection etc which makes that a no-brainer. But assuming such heritage can be of benefit to humankind and the planet in the long term - which I think it most definately can - what we are doing here IS important, much more important that fraternal bickering. There is - literally - too much to lose.

Spike Milligan once reckoned that a sure cure for seasickness was to sit under a tree. Obvious, but spot on. I reckon we all need to 'get out on the water'... whether we do that by donning boots, or by searching the net, or by simply sitting to think... arguably the hardest bit. Put something into the pot that best reflects who you are. It may be great, it may be bollocks.... you may have a combination of the ridiculous and sublime in the same post? Yeah, the above may well be trite rubbish for all I know. But, if so, at least it's my trite rubbish for others to debate.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
6200 posts

Re: Deliberately conciliatory remarks
Mar 04, 2012, 14:01
Inevitably I agree with all of this. I also agree with at least 80% of Nigel's post (I'm not going to say which 80% :-) ).

A day in the fresh air with Postie yesterday did me wonders. You soon remember what it's "all about", especially when a rainbow paints a mountainside after a heavy downpour.

I think most of us on here have an internal code that guides our actions. And ultimately the rest of this, as they say, is like tears in rain.
tjj
tjj
3606 posts

Re: Deliberately conciliatory remarks
Mar 04, 2012, 15:22
thesweetcheat wrote:
Inevitably I agree with all of this. I also agree with at least 80% of Nigel's post (I'm not going to say which 80% :-) ).

A day in the fresh air with Postie yesterday did me wonders. You soon remember what it's "all about", especially when a rainbow paints a mountainside after a heavy downpour.

I think most of us on here have an internal code that guides our actions. And ultimately the rest of this, as they say, is like tears in rain.


There have been some very eloquent posts made here - Gladman's and Nigel Swift's latest one among them. I haven't commented on either as not sure if there is anything useful left to say. You've summed it all up with your last two sentences - I love the bit about 'when a rainbow paints a mountainside' ...

Respect ... not just for ancients sites because we all have that without exception or we wouldn't be hanging around here - but also for each other. Not everyone can get out there and I guess we need to remember that but we can all open the windows and let the fresh in (metaphorically speaking).
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
6200 posts

Re: Deliberately conciliatory remarks
Mar 04, 2012, 15:35
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/105077/paredycefnhir.html
neighbourofthedrude
neighbourofthedrude
1555 posts

Re: My deliberately inflammatory remark
Mar 04, 2012, 20:57
VBB wrote:


Regarding being "'used' & shouldn't be unnecessarily cosseted" I would agree in the sense that where museums adopted the Gothic architecture of churches in the nineteenth century to make visitors conform to a standard of behaviour infused with reverence, as well as presenting extensions of evidence of God's work - look and don't touch or ask questions isn't the invitation to engage required to broaden interest in and see ancient remains preserved. What we do need though is an identifiable line in the sand in order to protect through respect and both guide future enthusiasts and foster a nation of monument enthusiastic guardians who just might campaign and object when it matters as well as saving monuments in the field.


hahhahahahahhaaahhhhhh !
*wee's self laughing !*

:oD
VBB
558 posts

Talking about my generation
Mar 05, 2012, 20:25
“Every generation gets the Stonehenge it deserves”
VBB
558 posts

Re: Talking about my generation
Mar 05, 2012, 20:36
VBB wrote:
“Every generation gets the Stonehenge it deserves”



As I was about to type before my regular evening bout of pc mishap...(this time I kicked the plug out of the socket)...

is the subject of the Monuments Code at rest in the water?
hedgedruid
87 posts

Re: Climbing on Standing Stones
Mar 06, 2012, 13:01
tjj wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:
The Eternal wrote:
Whilst I haven't read most of the posts, those I have read have confirmed one thing: TMA members seem to be in agreement for once, which has to be good.


Hello TE, I think perhaps you need to read more of the posts. :-)


I was thinking this too tsc and dropped out of the discussion after the remark about 'old biddies taking photographs being just as much desecrators as louts ...'. Speaking as a mature female person this stung momentarily but it certainly won't stop me pursuing an activity which gives me a great deal of stimulation and enjoyment; and of course, out of respect, I won't be climbing/sitting on any ancient stones. Here's to fresh air, the walk, the buzzard overhead and the occasional sighting of deer or a fox - as we make our way to some of the more out of the way ancient sites. Keep on keeping on!!

Edit: Just in case someone says I've misquoted - this is a copy and paste of what was written ...

Not much of a rumble if everyone wants to get on to old biddies taking pictures but not the louts taking a piss.....treat 'em all as the desecrators they are!


Wow , what a response from everybody - love the end part of this one - to be outside with the buzzard overhead visiting an out of the way site thats the best for me too. even us older pagans get a rush on those days ,particularly if its warm !!!
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