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Rhiannon
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Re: Our Sacred Land
Sep 07, 2011, 16:13
"We didnt get feral rioting youths in those days or aggressive, violent kids in the way we do now. "

Selective memory I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQLguQM41Ok

In a minute you'll be saying 'it didn't do me any harm" !!
Gwass
193 posts

Re: Our Sacred Land
Sep 07, 2011, 16:25
Rhiannon wrote:
"We didnt get feral rioting youths in those days or aggressive, violent kids in the way we do now. "

Selective memory I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQLguQM41Ok

In a minute you'll be saying 'it didn't do me any harm" !!


What's wrong with saying that?!

Millions of decent well rounded people say just that!

So trying to fob it off as some outdated cliche doesn't work I'm afraid as it is a valid point.

Haven't got time to watch the vid now but whatever it is isn't going to disprove the facts. I can imagine it's some footage you've found of a 50 yr old rioter to disprove the fact that it was overwhelmingly young people!

Like people who say "smoking isn't bad for you, my mates great gandad lived till he was 100 and smoked 80 a day" There will always be an exception
juamei
juamei
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Re: Our Sacred Land
Sep 07, 2011, 16:38
Anyone thinking rioting and feral youth is a problem unique to today and caused by [insert social issue here], should read this article.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-looting-hits-britain-0

TLDR; Rioting youths have been rioting for centuries.
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
4670 posts

Re: Our Sacred Land
Sep 07, 2011, 16:46
Rhiannon wrote:
"We didnt get feral rioting youths in those days or aggressive, violent kids in the way we do now. "

Selective memory I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQLguQM41Ok

In a minute you'll be saying 'it didn't do me any harm" !!


Rhiannon...I don't know how old you are but I lived through the Mods and Rockers era and their violence (which palls into insignificance compared to the real sadistic violence metered out today) was between themselves and was a form of gang warfare, something which is part of our history. It didn't involve the public and was easily contained. They didn't loot shops, toss petrol bombs or carry guns as a matter of course and it wasn't politically orchestrated.
Resonox
604 posts

Re: Our Sacred Land
Sep 07, 2011, 17:12
The Sea Cat wrote:
The Chalice Well at Glastonbury:

http://www.chalicewell.org.uk/

One of my favourite places. You must visit it sometime.

:-)
A place I've visited several times...worth the entrance fee....for this well alone...but the gardens are sooooo peaceful.


Also..I think it was picked up on.....but I was inferring that springs /wells/streams etc were considered sacred because they cleansed(and not just external effluence as I suggested)...but drinking fresh well water, not just chalybeate, can have a purgative effect thus cleansing internally...and be seen as curative and thus sacred.
Resonox
604 posts

Re: Our Sacred Land
Sep 07, 2011, 17:16
drewbhoy wrote:
And the Auld Scots held water in high reverence, being quite serious, as whisky is known as the 'water of life'.


Steam being water vapour......is that why we Scots get steaming with too much uisge beatha???
Gwass
193 posts

Re: Our Sacred Land
Sep 07, 2011, 17:18
Rhiannon wrote:
"We didnt get feral rioting youths in those days or aggressive, violent kids in the way we do now. "

Selective memory I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQLguQM41Ok

In a minute you'll be saying 'it didn't do me any harm" !!


Just watched the video. Thanks for that.

I can't believe you're using that to defend today's youth violence. The 2 are incomparable!

The mods and rockers weren't pulling members of the public of motor bikes and beating them senseless, they weren't setting fire to people's homes so they had to jump out of the window to escape!

Or battering anyone they saw at random for no reason, nicking anything that wasn't bolted down or torching people's homes or businesses.

It's obvious the state this country's in at the moment and I cannot understand why anyone would want to paint an overly optomistic rose tinted view of it.

Everyone knows what we witnessed recently was like nothing we used to get in the 50's or 60's. Kids so lacking in any form or morals, respect or discipline. That's why I used the word feral, I don't normally use such inflammatory language but what about their behaviour cannot be described as feral?!

Why deny the truth? Is it to defend the woeful record of the left since they took over most of society who's views you might happen share? I can't see any other reason for refusing to see what's going on, honestly.

And the police in those days would have clobbered them rather than standing watching, hamstrung by political correctness & afraid of a law suit for hitting a knife weidling rioter!
Gwass
193 posts

Re: Our Sacred Land
Sep 07, 2011, 17:20
juamei wrote:
Anyone thinking rioting and feral youth is a problem unique to today and caused by [insert social issue here], should read this article.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-looting-hits-britain-0

TLDR; Rioting youths have been rioting for centuries.


Everyone knows today is different. The public weren't being attacked & burned out of their homes. Even if that happened in medieval times. We're supposed to be a modern civilzed society so in that context today's problems are like nothing we've seen before
The Sea Cat
The Sea Cat
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Edited Sep 07, 2011, 18:33
Re: Our Sacred Land
Sep 07, 2011, 18:24
Resonox wrote:
The Sea Cat wrote:
The Chalice Well at Glastonbury:

http://www.chalicewell.org.uk/

One of my favourite places. You must visit it sometime.

:-)
A place I've visited several times...worth the entrance fee....for this well alone...but the gardens are sooooo peaceful.


Also..I think it was picked up on.....but I was inferring that springs /wells/streams etc were considered sacred because they cleansed(and not just external effluence as I suggested)...but drinking fresh well water, not just chalybeate, can have a purgative effect thus cleansing internally...and be seen as curative and thus sacred.


Good point. I missed that. Absolutely! I'd forgotten the inter-related sense of 'mundane' life as it would have been at the time, and the Sacred that would have been such a companion, literal all or not ( 'do we have to go and bung some swords in the Water, Mum ?
Of course, and blow your nose, the Druid's coming'...) Druids, Catholicism ( ie McRome), Power structures, always thus. Daft nakes Saints. Put some bloody clothes on and go out and mingle you self absorbed prick.

Om Shanti

:-)
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
6200 posts

Re: Our Sacred Land
Sep 07, 2011, 18:59
goffik wrote:
Tsk. Call this racist? You should see some of the vile homophobic, racist bile I've had aimed at me on here recently! Not to mention the ongoing bullying over the years. This is kid's stuff. ;)

G x


Hmmm.
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