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Resonox
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Re: Developments at Avebury
Feb 16, 2011, 08:15
A Stukeley quote is quite appropriate here..(sorry if it's been done to death in this topic already)

"And this stupendous fabric, which for some thousands of years, had brav'd the continual assaults of weather, and by the nature of it, when left to itself, like the pyramids of Egypt, would have lasted as long as the globe, hath fallen a sacrifice to the wretched ignorance and avarice of a little village unluckily plac'd within it."

William Stukeley (1687-1765)
tjj
tjj
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Edited Feb 16, 2011, 11:07
Re: Developments at Avebury
Feb 16, 2011, 10:39
Resonox wrote:
A Stukeley quote is quite appropriate here..(sorry if it's been done to death in this topic already)

"And this stupendous fabric, which for some thousands of years, had brav'd the continual assaults of weather, and by the nature of it, when left to itself, like the pyramids of Egypt, would have lasted as long as the globe, hath fallen a sacrifice to the wretched ignorance and avarice of a little village unluckily plac'd within it."

William Stukeley (1687-1765)


I agree with you that the above quote has been done to death, I've read it many times but I disagree about its appropriateness to this topic. William Stukeley was part of the 'upper class' whilst the villagers of Avebury were mainly poor land workers who basically did as they were told. That isn't the case now of course but to some extent their views need to be at least considered. Anyway, as I said before ... I'll leave the politics of Avebury to people with much louder voices than mine.
tjj
tjj
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Re: Diamonds are forever
Feb 16, 2011, 11:00
Resonox wrote:

Never mind pro/anti cafes, shops and toilets etc campaigns....why not petition for a ringroad to take (major)traffic away from this ancient monument to ensure it lasts another 4000 or so years.


Why not! Because a ring road would do massive, irreparable damage to the Wiltshire landscape and the surrounding archaeology - the Avebury World Heritage site is quite big after all. I agree its not ideal to have the road going through the stone circle though in its historical context it is only during the past 50/60 years that the lorries and untenable amounts of traffic have thundered through. There is also the A4 running between Silbury and WKLB with frequent accidents on that stretch of road because people drive too fast. At least they (mostly) slow down through Avebury.

I don't have an alternative solution, sorry.
jackyboy
145 posts

Re: Diamonds are forever
Feb 16, 2011, 11:22
tjj wrote:
Resonox wrote:

Never mind pro/anti cafes, shops and toilets etc campaigns....why not petition for a ringroad to take (major)traffic away from this ancient monument to ensure it lasts another 4000 or so years.


Why not! Because a ring road would do massive, irreparable damage to the Wiltshire landscape and the surrounding archaeology - the Avebury World Heritage site is quite big after all. I agree its not ideal to have the road going through the stone circle though in its historical context it is only during the past 50/60 years that the lorries and untenable amounts of traffic have thundered through. There is also the A4 running between Silbury and WKLB with frequent accidents on that stretch of road because people drive too fast. At least they (mostly) slow down through Avebury.

I don't have an alternative solution, sorry.


I do. We have 20 MPH speed limits with 'speed bumps' and no HGV's are allowed.
Littlestone
Littlestone
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Edited Feb 16, 2011, 11:38
The Diamond Stone
Feb 16, 2011, 11:38
Ah, well done Mr R – I did wonder if Stukeley had used it. Wonder if John Aubrey did as well - that would take it back to the 17th century at least.
Resonox
604 posts

Re: Developments at Avebury
Feb 16, 2011, 11:47
tjj wrote:
Resonox wrote:
A Stukeley quote is quite appropriate here..(sorry if it's been done to death in this topic already)

"And this stupendous fabric, which for some thousands of years, had brav'd the continual assaults of weather, and by the nature of it, when left to itself, like the pyramids of Egypt, would have lasted as long as the globe, hath fallen a sacrifice to the wretched ignorance and avarice of a little village unluckily plac'd within it."

William Stukeley (1687-1765)


I agree with you that the above quote has been done to death, I've read it many times but I disagree about its appropriateness to this topic. William Stukeley was part of the 'upper class' whilst the villagers of Avebury were mainly poor land workers who basically did as they were told. That isn't the case now of course but to some extent their views need to be at least considered. Anyway, as I said before ... I'll leave the politics of Avebury to people with much louder voices than mine.


Sorry...you disagree..yet agree?...I can't find any reason for you to disagree with me using a quote in the way I have, other than some kind of inverted snobbery... ie..poor people are by dint of being poor absolved of all blame as they are victims of circumstance, what utter tommyrot. Stukeley(wealthy upper class know-it-all as you paint him)..does point out in this very quote...that the village is "unluckily placed".....and before anyone gets all high and mighty about "poor land workers" it was the LAND OWNERS who put the accommodation there for the workers(the reasons for churches being sited in proximity HAS been done to death).
Please just don't disagree for the sake of disagreeing....it is rather ill becoming....just because one individual has read a quote several times doesn't mean everyone else has....or is this some kind of subtle censoring of opinions at variance with yours?
jackyboy
145 posts

Re: Developments at Avebury
Feb 16, 2011, 11:58
Can't we just talk about the development of Avebury. Tarmacking the car park, tea shops and that kind of thing.
I gave you a sensible solution to protect the Diamond stone. 20 MPH, no HGV's.
Resonox
604 posts

Re: Developments at Avebury
Feb 16, 2011, 12:06
jackyboy wrote:

I gave you a sensible solution to protect the Diamond stone. 20 MPH, no HGV's.
...I concur
jackyboy
145 posts

Re: Developments at Avebury
Feb 16, 2011, 12:15
Resonox wrote:
jackyboy wrote:

I gave you a sensible solution to protect the Diamond stone. 20 MPH, no HGV's.
...I concur


Cheap, quick and simple.
Resonox
604 posts

Re: Developments at Avebury
Feb 16, 2011, 12:44
With apologies to Blake.......

And did those wheels in modern time,
Drive upon england's mountains green?
And was there 4x4s and HGVs
On england's pleasant pastures seen?

And was the speed limit sign,
Ignored to rattle our clouded bones?
And was a greasy spoon builded here
Among these dark and ancient stones?

Bring me my car of burnished gold!
Bring me speed beyond desire!
Bring me lorries: of goods unsold!
Bring me traffic jams of ire!

Will we not cease monumental fight;
Til megaliths no longer stand
and no longer will there stand a stone
In england's green and pleasant land.
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