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Resonox 604 posts |
May 24, 2010, 11:37
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Alfrede wrote: I do still wonder what happened to the offending pottery cow left in the field at long Meg circle? Alfrede It made £150 on Dickinson's Real Deal last week for a rambler who on one of his walks, "just found it lying there."
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tjj 3606 posts |
May 24, 2010, 11:57
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Apologies for any misunderstanding Resonox, your posts gave me food for thought. No ill will was directed at you at all - just 'shooting the breeze'.
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Resonox 604 posts |
May 24, 2010, 12:27
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tjj wrote: Apologies for any misunderstanding Resonox, your posts gave me food for thought. No ill will was directed at you at all - just 'shooting the breeze'. Apology accepted....a quote of Ms. Green warns about "never shooting the breeze without being prepared to catch the storm!"...Many a true word eh??
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TheStandingStone 218 posts |
May 24, 2010, 13:43
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Alfrede wrote: those unable to comprehend any deeper aspects involved. Alfrede I think that just because someone doesn't like offerings and consider them 'litter' doesn't mean that they are 'unable to comprehend.' I think that is a little insulting to be honest. If someone doesn't believe that these are spiritual sites they are not somehow less enlightened that others. It is just a difference of opinion. You are not arguing the issue but rather just attacking the people who disagree with you. Maybe a little more respect on both sides would help to solve the issue...there's always a middle ground.
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juamei 2013 posts |
Edited May 24, 2010, 17:24
May 24, 2010, 17:22
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(you need) broader tolerance ... (as you have) deeper prejudices ...(and) negative views ... Our Prehistory belongs to all of us now and all our decendents in the future for as long as they walk the land. No-one has "The Absolute Right" to change it according to their perculiar forays into their inner self. If people have the right to leave 20th century ritual artifacts in a place which has no link in time or space with their beliefs, then I most certainly have the right to remove said artifacts to return the site closer to how its original builders intended.
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thesweetcheat 6210 posts |
May 24, 2010, 19:33
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Resonox wrote: Alfrede wrote: I do still wonder what happened to the offending pottery cow left in the field at long Meg circle? Alfrede It made £150 on Dickinson's Real Deal last week for a rambler who on one of his walks, "just found it lying there." LOL!
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Sweep 30 posts |
May 26, 2010, 14:58
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I was at Long Meg a day or two before the tree was chopped down. I can sympathise with the farmer, though I think it would have been better if some other solution could be found. My personal view is that a few cloth offerings - rags tied to branches - can actually be quite attractive and pleasant to see, but at Long Meg there were a lot of non-degradable items. Maybe things like the toy vehicles made from metal have some significance to someone - presumably they do - but a more eco-friendly option would definitely be better for all concerned. The practical question, of course, is "what practical solution is there?" Obviously we have a wide variety of views on this, from what's already been said, but I think we'd all agree that avoiding damage to the site is the priority, and the leaving of offerings that don't readily decay is a close second to that. Chopping things down isn't a long-term solution, even if it was practical or desirable. I expect next time I'm at Long Meg there'll be things tied to the other trees/hedges in the vicinity. Notices from English Heritage might help - if well-worded - but that depends on their being read and heeded. However things are done, it looks like the leaving of offerings is here to stay and trying to ban it would be counter-productive. It seems to me the most productive way forward would be to join a few neo-pagan discussion forums and calmly and rationally suggest that biodegradable offerings would be much preferable to the kinds of things being left now. Ideas take root if presented in a congenial way and with frequency. This may not work, but I think it's worth a try, and I'm intending to do it. Those of us with a deep antipathy to anything new age, neo-pagan or whatever will need to proceed with caution, or hang around at the back. :D I'm also thinking about selling biodegradable paper/cloth slips that can be written on and hung onto a tree or bush with minimal damage. Somebody, at least, could do with looking into that.
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faerygirl 412 posts |
May 26, 2010, 20:18
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Sweep wrote: I was at Long Meg a day or two before the tree was chopped down. I can sympathise with the farmer, though I think it would have been better if some other solution could be found. My personal view is that a few cloth offerings - rags tied to branches - can actually be quite attractive and pleasant to see, but at Long Meg there were a lot of non-degradable items. Maybe things like the toy vehicles made from metal have some significance to someone - presumably they do - but a more eco-friendly option would definitely be better for all concerned. The practical question, of course, is "what practical solution is there?" Obviously we have a wide variety of views on this, from what's already been said, but I think we'd all agree that avoiding damage to the site is the priority, and the leaving of offerings that don't readily decay is a close second to that. Chopping things down isn't a long-term solution, even if it was practical or desirable. I expect next time I'm at Long Meg there'll be things tied to the other trees/hedges in the vicinity. Notices from English Heritage might help - if well-worded - but that depends on their being read and heeded. However things are done, it looks like the leaving of offerings is here to stay and trying to ban it would be counter-productive. It seems to me the most productive way forward would be to join a few neo-pagan discussion forums and calmly and rationally suggest that biodegradable offerings would be much preferable to the kinds of things being left now. Ideas take root if presented in a congenial way and with frequency. This may not work, but I think it's worth a try, and I'm intending to do it. Those of us with a deep antipathy to anything new age, neo-pagan or whatever will need to proceed with caution, or hang around at the back. :D I'm also thinking about selling biodegradable paper/cloth slips that can be written on and hung onto a tree or bush with minimal damage. Somebody, at least, could do with looking into that. Thats a wonderful idea! Something beautiful, quickly biodegradable and that you can write your message/ prayer/ offering on. At least that way you can be sure its not gonna be there for long! AND the money could be used for upkeep on the site (reference the other thread about using stone circles to make money) I think saying that removing things to "restore" it to how it was intended is quite an assumption as we dont have a clue what these things are for, although we can guess they wern't leaving pottery cows or metal toys... :)
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
May 26, 2010, 20:40
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faerygirl wrote: I think saying that removing things to "restore" it to how it was intended is quite an assumption as we dont have a clue what these things are for If in doubt do nowt.
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faerygirl 412 posts |
May 28, 2010, 18:56
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nigelswift wrote: faerygirl wrote: I think saying that removing things to "restore" it to how it was intended is quite an assumption as we dont have a clue what these things are for If in doubt do nowt. Im always in doubt. Why an I here? WHere am I going? What will happen next? What day is it? I would never get out of bed if I lived by your saying...
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