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Re: How is Rock Art aged?Moving On
Dec 20, 2012, 00:16
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Granite would take longer but it is not used too often .It does tend have lots of natural cup like holes that could help as a start i.e. they that just get enhanced . Although granite on granite would work with nothing to enhance ,just take longer , the more complex motifs are usually avoided too .

Funnily enough that's a point (no pun intended!) I was going to raise, the use of a natural cup like hole to start it off. If they did and there was more than one, the 'pattern' produced would have been random and may not have been important to them, just the cupmarks themselves. Does that tell us anything other than the obvious?

No , it does us tell us something ,same as the important point that the rock surface often has a big input into what gets engraved . The assumption is often that the engraver approaches the canvas with a composition in their head that gets faithfully trasferred to the canvas .It doesn't seem that is what going on in many cases . It's more like jamming , you are constrained to an extent but not following anything prescriptive , you react to things as they appear to impose stuff .

Following the flow of energy in the rock or following and using "the fault lines" in the rock, see you do know.

As we don't know what the engraver imagined about the rock that is not visually obvious we can't comment . What we can see that obviously has an infuence on the engraver are the texture , slope , cracks and fissures and shape of the rock .

When I was at achnabreck a few years back (jumped the fence I'm afraid, simply couldn't resist) I was sat there dumbfounded, attempting to follow logical lines of thought to work out what it could have been that the people responsible were attempting to communicate, but I've come to think it is not an attempt at communication at all. If it were, why would not one individual throughout that entire time span have engraved a simple, naive, immediately recognisable image?
With what Tiompan has said above, and bladup to some extent, I wonder if the answer lies closer to the natural "characteristics" of the rock (or whatever properties the rock was thought to hold) being enhanced. The rock being manipulated for use in some way, rather than any type of communication.

the communicatuon could be with the rock .

Bloody hell his mind is opening.

If anybody deserves the worthless "closed mind " comment it is believers , it's all they have to say to support their unlikley claims . What really matters is content .

That's what i mean you don't usually have any! i've been impressed.

You must be have misunderstood .

On purpose, it's great for dealing with you, i now just pretend your being nice all the time, it's better for me that way.

I haven't changed .

The only thing you should change is to understand that all things are said before they're proved, and therefore my lack of proof for something is the same as your lack of proof against it, and just because something isn't proved yet doesn't make it automatically wrong [you should keep an open mind], it sometimes just might be right, the way you understood the fissures and cracks that the rock art people sometimes seem to use and follow is the same but on a smaller scale as the bigger landscape, they saw it like this and so did you for a moment earlier, the real landscape is also full of faults and fissures and the faults, cracks, fissures, energy flows, waterflows, monuments, settlements and huts in the landscape are mirrored by the patterns on a lot of the rock art, it's all connected, that's what we're been told, i really think you know what i'm saying [i may be wrong though].
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