Vybik Jon
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Re: Is Nico the John Barnes of Rock?
May 22, 2008, 19:31
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A bit like the Barry bid then?
Shall we stop all this now?
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naughtynige
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Re: Is Nico the John Barnes of Rock?
May 22, 2008, 19:43
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We're not talking about whether or not people like those particular albums (and of course I entirely agree people like what they like, horses for courses and all that). Keith says in his original post why is she so revered and what did she do after the first Velvets LP? That's what I was responding to. Those 3 albums (Marble Index, Desertshore & The End) are about the most convincing case you could offer. As a body of work they are some of the most compelling and daring pieces of music released under the "popular music" banner in the early to mid 70s. That is why she is so revered, not for a tossed off cover which has a miniscule bearing on her overall recorded output. Ian, I hear what you're saying about John Cale's input and I think you're right. As for his solo career, I've been disappointed at how unsatisfying the albums have been - there is so much pedestrian singer-songwriter guff.
To address some of the other arguments taking place in this thread - for your average Head To Head'er those 3 Nico albums are melodically pretty accessible and this knee-jerk attacking of music which is considered difficult by some really should cease. As should the retaliation against people who don't necessarily like that kind of music. The reason we're all on this forum is surely to rejoice in all forms of great music and to be enlightened about more of the stuff by others. I've noticed some particularly mean streaks creeping in to this forum lately, I fuckin' love a debate but there's no need for insulting people as part of that.
So there.
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zphage
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Edited May 22, 2008, 19:48
Re: Is Nico the John Barnes of Rock?
May 22, 2008, 19:47
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naughtynige wrote: We're not talking about whether or not people like those particular albums (and of course I entirely agree people like what they like, horses for courses and all that). Keith says in his original post why is she so revered and what did she do after the first Velvets LP? That's what I was responding to. Those 3 albums (Marble Index, Desertshore & The End) are about the most convincing case you could offer. As a body of work they are some of the most compelling and daring pieces of music released under the "popular music" banner in the early to mid 70s. That is why she is so revered, not for a tossed off cover which has a miniscule bearing on her overall recorded output. Ian, I hear what you're saying about John Cale's input and I think you're right. As for his solo career, I've been disappointed at how unsatisfying the albums have been - there is so much pedestrian singer-songwriter guff.
To address some of the other arguments taking place in this thread - for your average Head To Head'er those 3 Nico albums are melodically pretty accessible and this knee-jerk attacking of music which is considered difficult by some really should cease. As should the retaliation against people who don't necessarily like that kind of music. The reason we're all on this forum is surely to rejoice in all forms of great music and to be enlightened about more of the stuff by others. I've noticed some particularly mean streaks creeping in to this forum lately, I fuckin' love a debate but there's no need for insulting people as part of that.
So there.
Well Said. Amen.
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Sir John Dunn
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Re: Is Nico the John Barnes of Rock?
May 22, 2008, 19:52
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Vybik Jon wrote: A bit like the Barry bid then?
Shall we stop all this now?
Consider it stopped.
See ya on the Cockney Rebel thread.....
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keith a
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Re: Is Nico the John Barnes of Rock?
May 22, 2008, 20:08
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IanB wrote:
Keith we finally agree on something!
On the other hand, it's quite a thought-provoking interpretation when you think about it.
; )
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dodge one
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Re: Is Nico the John Barnes of Rock?
May 22, 2008, 20:17
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naughtynige wrote: We're not talking about whether or not people like those particular albums (and of course I entirely agree people like what they like, horses for courses and all that). I'm with you there buddy, whenever someone ask's me what i think Nico's singing sounds like, i allways say "Like a Horse of Course!"
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keith a
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Re: Is Nico the John Barnes of Rock?
May 22, 2008, 20:27
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naughtynige wrote:
To address some of the other arguments taking place in this thread - for your average Head To Head'er those 3 Nico albums are melodically pretty accessible and this knee-jerk attacking of music which is considered difficult by some really should cease.
Ooh, get you! ; )
TBH I haven't heard much of Nico's solo stuff in years, but it never did a lot for me back then. I'd hardly say it was too 'difficult' for me though. It's not as if it's any more 'difficult' than a third of the 1st Velvets LP, or that I spend all my days at home listening to the Backstreet Boys.
I may have to give those albums another listen though. Re-appraise and all that. For all that though, I don't see why her later years should be airbrushed from history just cos she made three albums that lots of folk like.
I hope someone who calls himself NaughtyNige can appreciate that the tongue was in the cheek when comparing her to a retired footie player though. It was a bit of fun as opposed to just saying 'hey I've just heard this Nico cover and it's shit'!
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naughtynige
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Re: Is Nico the John Barnes of Rock?
May 22, 2008, 20:47
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Any mention of John Barnes always makes me titter because I only associate him with his magnificent rapping. By the way, my comments about people attacking "difficult" music weren't directed at you. And NaughtyNige is my real name - it's not my fault my parents named me that way.
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Sir John Dunn
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Re: Is Nico the John Barnes of Rock?
May 22, 2008, 21:06
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naughtynige wrote: Any mention of John Barnes always makes me titter because I only associate him with his magnificent rapping. By the way, my comments about people attacking "difficult" music weren't directed at you. And NaughtyNige is my real name - it's not my fault my parents named me that way.
Top post, NaughtyNige.
Unlike Nico, John Barnes has worn some OUTRAGEOUS
clothes in his time.
Are they on eBay yet?
No messing, I wanna buy, buy, buy!
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keith a
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Re: Is Nico the John Barnes of Rock?
May 22, 2008, 21:11
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naughtynige wrote:
NaughtyNige is my real name - it's not my fault my parents named me that way.
My heart goes out to you, NaughtyNige.
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