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Markoid
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Edited Feb 16, 2016, 00:37
Mental Health Funding - Did I just see a flying pig?
Feb 15, 2016, 22:33
The UK government announced today to 'transform mental health services in England with extra £1bn a year'. I'll believe it when I see it. Since when has this government actually tried to help genuine people in need? I'm sceptical if this 'pledge' will ever see the light of day, or if it does it is merely making up in a very small part for years of underfunding and neglect in mental health services. And what will Jeremy Hunt (one of the most loathed and mis-trusted politicians in the country at the moment) expect for such a 'generous investment'? Fucking miracles? As a mental health nurse I haven't had a pay rise in 5 years and our workload is as ever on the rise. Social workers are hard to find these days and also over-worked, and just to cap it all, Hunt has recently pissed off most of the entire medical profession. Marvellous! I'm surprised that The Guardian even gave Jeremy Hunt the time of day, never mind a full interview. I hope things do change, but I don't trust this lot with the biggest barge pole known to man.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/15/nhs-vows-to-transform-mental-health-services-with-extra-1bn-a-year

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-35565216

Here is the report.

'A report from the independent Mental Health Taskforce to the NHS in England
February 2016'.

All 82 pages of it.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Mental-Health-Taskforce-FYFV-final.pdf

Summary.

It takes a while to read and digest the whole report. Hence, the ethos.

'For far too long, people of all ages with mental health problems have been stigmatised and marginalised, all too often experiencing an NHS that treats their minds and bodies separately. Mental health services have been underfunded for decades, and too many people have received no help at all, leading to hundreds of thousands of lives put on hold or ruined, and thousands of tragic and unnecessary deaths.

But in recent years, the picture has started to change. Public attitudes towards mental health are improving, and there is a growing commitment among communities, workplaces, schools and within government to change the way we think about it. There is now a cross-party, cross-society consensus on what needs to change and a real desire to shift towards prevention and transform NHS care.

This independent report of the Mental Health Taskforce sets out the start of a ten year journey for that transformation, commissioned by Simon Stevens on behalf of the NHS. We have placed the experience of people with mental health problems at the heart of it. Over 20,000 people told us of the changes they wanted to see so that they could fulfil their life ambitions and take their places as equal citizens in our society. They told us that their priorities were prevention, access, integration, quality and a positive experience of care. Their voices are quoted in this report and their views are reflected in our recommendations.

First, we have made a set of recommendations for the six NHS arm’s length bodies to achieve the ambition of parity of esteem between mental and physical health for children, young people, adults and older people.

Second, we set out recommendations where wider action is needed. Many people told us that, as well as access to good quality mental health care wherever they are seen in the NHS, their main ambition was to have a decent place to live, a job or good quality relationships in their local communities. Making this happen will require a crossgovernment approach.

Finally, we have placed a particular focus on tackling inequalities. Mental health problems disproportionately affect people living in poverty, those who are unemployed and who already face discrimination. For too many, especially black, Asian and minority ethnic people, their first experience of mental health care comes when they are detained under the Mental Health Act, often with police involvement, followed by a long stay in hospital. To truly address this, we have to tackle inequalities at local and national level.
We want to thank all the Taskforce members, and the tens of thousands of people who contributed to and helped to co-produce this report'.


Paul Farmer, Chair Jacqui Dyer, Vice-Chair
Markoid
Markoid
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Edited Feb 17, 2016, 22:03
Re: Mental Health Funding - Did I just see a flying pig?
Feb 16, 2016, 13:05
I saw my girl go through psychosis and mania and the inevetable depression. It was fucking horrible to see. Such an amazing person. I loved her. That's why I believe in helping the mentally ill.

I have a head full of guilt.
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: Mental Health Funding - Did I just see a flying pig?
Feb 16, 2016, 19:30
In recent reports it's been declared that the tories' lack of investment in mental health care costs the economy £30bn a year, so with their generous handout for this, only a shortfall of £29bn.
laresident
laresident
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Re: Mental Health Funding - Did I just see a flying pig?
Feb 29, 2016, 21:32
I wish they would increase the funding over here. Far too many mentally unwell people in the streets. Usually also with guns.
Markoid
Markoid
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Edited Mar 04, 2016, 04:50
Re: Mental Health Funding - Did I just see a flying pig?
Mar 02, 2016, 05:42
laresident wrote:
I wish they would increase the funding over here. Far too many mentally unwell people in the streets. Usually also with guns.


Guns and knives are usually not the source problem. That is a societal problem. In many cultures. Granted, but helping the mentally ill would minimise violence to only a small extent.. Only a small amount of crimes are perpetreted by the mentally ill.

Most crimes are done by the bone fide sane. Insane people are most likely to to kill themselves than harm any others. Sane people are more likely to kill others. That myth HAS to be be stopped, in suicide awareness platforms. And Homocide platforms. And in Jails, with proper treatment.

It is total bullshit, that the mad are dangerous all the time. Occasionally, yes. That just sells the papers, with vitriolic nonsense.

I work in the frontline, and have avoided management all my life...it has been offered, and I have tasted, and declined.

And I have been quoted as saying. 'I don't want to turn into a total cunt'. 'Managers usually do. I don't.'

I've stuck to my principles.
laresident
laresident
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Re: Mental Health Funding - Did I just see a flying pig?
Mar 02, 2016, 15:31
I was just agreeing that mental health is a problem, compounded when weapons are involved. A gun is particularly dangerous in its detached violence. A slight pull of a finger on the trigger is all it takes to achieve the intended result.

I do wish you would elaborate on your use of the c*** word. Over here it's a very bad thing to say, usually in a deragotary aspect to women. On my next visit to Britain, I shall listen out to remind myself of its colloquial use.
Markoid
Markoid
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Edited Mar 03, 2016, 04:42
Re: Mental Health Funding - Did I just see a flying pig?
Mar 02, 2016, 16:53
laresident wrote:
I was just agreeing that mental health is a problem, compounded when weapons are involved. A gun is particularly dangerous in its detached violence. A slight pull of a finger on the trigger is all it takes to achieve the intended result.

I do wish you would elaborate on your use of the c*** word. Over here it's a very bad thing to say, usually in a deragotary aspect to women. On my next visit to Britain, I shall listen out to remind myself of its colloquial use.


I've said my bit about mental health, but you know I've seen so many casualties who are being treated.

A fist or a hand (s), or a penis is usually a more violent weapon than a gun or a knife.

A deranged person is often depressed, confused, drugged and does not have the voracity to be violent. When they do, that's when I come in, and stop it happening again. Being preventative is always the best route though.

My job is to prevent madness taking over the body to stop a person comitting yet another crime. The community team have NOT failed. The community team needs money. Service users need something to do. Unemployment is an illness sometimes. Selling drugs and hanging around IS NOT a career for most.

Ok, the cunt word in Scotland can actually be a term of endearment or abuse, not usually offensive. But it can be. Cunt is used as a noun.

An example - "That cunt over there who is waiting on the bus is by brother" Meaning man or a person.

If you said they were a dick or a prick, then that would be abusive to all.

In comedy, It's used as a noun and a positve adjective also too. " That cunt was so funny".

or

"He was a daft cunt" - meaning sympathy, but loveable.

It can be a universal swear word for somebody that you may not like, but the word is basically referring to a person. A male person.

However, if you call a woman in Scotland "a cunt", they will probably kill you and ask questions later.

I hope this clears up one of the most colourful, yet ambiguous questions ever asked!

East End Londoners use it too. Well, the real cunts do!
Markoid
Markoid
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Edited Mar 04, 2016, 04:51
Re: Mental Health Funding - Did I just see a flying pig?
Mar 02, 2016, 18:58
laresident wrote:
I wish they would increase the funding over here. Far too many mentally unwell people in the streets. Usually also with guns.


We work very closely with the cops, but the cops are not trained in mental health issues. People go nuts in jail cells. The prisons are crowded with mad folk. I don't know if you've ever seen inside a prison, but they really are hell-holes for the mad. Part of our job is to get some of those poor souls into treatment. That is their law. If I see someone who may be mentally ill on the street I am legally obliged and discretly aware that I HAVE to help them. I have a legal and more importantly a moral responsibility to help the mentally unwell.

If you see someone on the street having a cardiac arrest, most people would help.

If you see somebody on the street having a mental crisis? Who helps? Us lot! People run away. That is not fair in any kind of democracy.

This cop spoke out though. A very brave man.

https://mentalhealthcop.wordpress.com/full-index/
ron
ron
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Re: Mental Health Funding - Did I just see a flying pig?
Mar 05, 2016, 23:39
DNCE wrote:

Let's lose our minds and go fucking crazy
Ah ya ya ya ya I keep on hoping we'll eat cake by the ocean (Huh)


Mental Health Funding, or rather, the lack thereof; courtesy of our favourite son from the state of fruits and nuts, ronnie ray-gun... whom, backpacked that particular bit of bile and pestilence into the blanco casa...


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Popel Vooje
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Re: Mental Health Funding - Did I just see a flying pig?
Mar 07, 2016, 10:56
ron wrote:
DNCE wrote:

Let's lose our minds and go fucking crazy
Ah ya ya ya ya I keep on hoping we'll eat cake by the ocean (Huh)


Mental Health Funding, or rather, the lack thereof; courtesy of our favourite son from the state of fruits and nuts, ronnie ray-gun... whom, backpacked that particular bit of bile and pestilence into the blanco casa...


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Indeed. that's pretty much what Thatcher implemented here with "care in the community".
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