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Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: I'm so confused.....
Nov 14, 2015, 10:38
thispoison wrote:
On a night like this I'd happily see every Mosque in Europe bulldozed. Maybe a more measured response later.
Maybe...

Overall, though, I am with Julian in his hatred of Islam. Not a view I have come to without some soul-searching. Sorry if that offends any well-meaning but impotent liberals in these parts.
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Good luck with that 'measured response'
carol27
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Edited Nov 14, 2015, 16:47
Re: I'm so confused.....
Nov 14, 2015, 16:34
thispoison wrote:
On a night like this I'd happily see every Mosque in Europe bulldozed. Maybe a more measured response later.
Maybe...

Overall, though, I am with Julian in his hatred of Islam. Not a view I have come to without some soul-searching. Sorry if that offends any well-meaning but impotent liberals in these parts.

Not that I side with our glorious political leaders and their actions in the Middle East which have made their own unique and malign contribution to current events. But I was over in Paris in 1995, and Islamic terrorists were killing people there even then. Well before 9/11 and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Plus ça change.

Jihadi John died far too painlessly. Hilariously, I have heard that Jeremy Corbyn would have preferred his arrest and trial. Words fail me on that view...

BTW, the ones to feel sorry for are the poor bastards who just went out on a Friday night to enjoy themselves and didn't make it home. And their families and friends.


So, what do you suggest we do? Jihad?
billding68
billding68
1016 posts

Re: I'm so confused.....
Nov 14, 2015, 16:47
carol27 wrote:
thispoison wrote:
On a night like this I'd happily see every Mosque in Europe bulldozed. Maybe a more measured response later.
Maybe...

Overall, though, I am with Julian in his hatred of Islam. Not a view I have come to without some soul-searching. Sorry if that offends any well-meaning but impotent liberals in these parts.

Not that I side with our glorious political leaders and their actions in the Middle East which have made their own unique and malign contribution to current events. But I was over in Paris in 1995, and Islamic terrorists were killing people there even then. Well before 9/11 and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Plus ça change.

Jihadi John died far too painlessly. Hilariously, I have heard that Jeremy Corbyn would have preferred his arrest and trial. Words fail me on that view...

BTW, the ones to feel sorry for are the poor bastards who just went out on a Friday night to enjoy themselves and didn't make it home. And their families and friends.


So, what do you suggest we do?


Abolish Islam from the Western world completely. Islam is not a faith of peace but of Aggression. Islam teaches to lay in wait until the time is right and destroy your enemy at any cost. Islam teaches that those who submit to Allah's will and sacrifice themselves will be rewarded. Islam is a cancer. Would the western world be worse off if Islam was no longer a threat? Give them Somalia, build a wall around it, and let them destroy themselves.
carol27
747 posts

Re: I'm so confused.....
Nov 14, 2015, 16:55
billding68 wrote:
carol27 wrote:
thispoison wrote:
On a night like this I'd happily see every Mosque in Europe bulldozed. Maybe a more measured response later.
Maybe...

Overall, though, I am with Julian in his hatred of Islam. Not a view I have come to without some soul-searching. Sorry if that offends any well-meaning but impotent liberals in these parts.

Not that I side with our glorious political leaders and their actions in the Middle East which have made their own unique and malign contribution to current events. But I was over in Paris in 1995, and Islamic terrorists were killing people there even then. Well before 9/11 and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Plus ça change.

Jihadi John died far too painlessly. Hilariously, I have heard that Jeremy Corbyn would have preferred his arrest and trial. Words fail me on that view...

BTW, the ones to feel sorry for are the poor bastards who just went out on a Friday night to enjoy themselves and didn't make it home. And their families and friends.


So, what do you suggest we do?


Abolish Islam from the Western world completely. Islam is not a faith of peace but of Aggression. Islam teaches to lay in wait until the time is right and destroy your enemy at any cost. Islam teaches that those who submit to Allah's will and sacrifice themselves will be rewarded. Islam is a cancer. Would the western world be worse off if Islam was no longer a threat? Give them Somalia, build a wall around it, and let them destroy themselves.


Sorry I don't actually know how to begin responding to that.
billding68
billding68
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Edited Nov 14, 2015, 17:12
Re: I'm so confused.....
Nov 14, 2015, 17:11
carol27 wrote:
billding68 wrote:
carol27 wrote:
thispoison wrote:
On a night like this I'd happily see every Mosque in Europe bulldozed. Maybe a more measured response later.
Maybe...

Overall, though, I am with Julian in his hatred of Islam. Not a view I have come to without some soul-searching. Sorry if that offends any well-meaning but impotent liberals in these parts.

Not that I side with our glorious political leaders and their actions in the Middle East which have made their own unique and malign contribution to current events. But I was over in Paris in 1995, and Islamic terrorists were killing people there even then. Well before 9/11 and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Plus ça change.

Jihadi John died far too painlessly. Hilariously, I have heard that Jeremy Corbyn would have preferred his arrest and trial. Words fail me on that view...

BTW, the ones to feel sorry for are the poor bastards who just went out on a Friday night to enjoy themselves and didn't make it home. And their families and friends.


So, what do you suggest we do?


Abolish Islam from the Western world completely. Islam is not a faith of peace but of Aggression. Islam teaches to lay in wait until the time is right and destroy your enemy at any cost. Islam teaches that those who submit to Allah's will and sacrifice themselves will be rewarded. Islam is a cancer. Would the western world be worse off if Islam was no longer a threat? Give them Somalia, build a wall around it, and let them destroy themselves.


Sorry I don't actually know how to begin responding to that.


Truth is not always civilized or Politically correct I'm afraid...Its either destroy them or allow this to continue, unless you have a better idea? Group hugs maybe ? sing a longs? what you tell me... Wait a tick I know...lets blame ourselves ! yeah that's the answer!
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: I'm so confused.....
Nov 14, 2015, 17:30
You could say the same about any religion or ideology! Like all Muslims I don't link ISIS with Islam in any way whatsoever, they're certainly not following the will of God, which is the main principle of Islam. They have their own twisted ideology and apart from saying they're Muslim have no connection to it whatsoever. They've got as much chance of being Muslim as I have of being the Pope, and that's never going to happen.
billding68
billding68
1016 posts

Edited Nov 14, 2015, 17:50
Re: I'm so confused.....
Nov 14, 2015, 17:49
Captain Starlet wrote:
You could say the same about any religion or ideology! Like all Muslims I don't link ISIS with Islam in any way whatsoever, they're certainly not following the will of God, which is the main principle of Islam. They have their own twisted ideology and apart from saying they're Muslim have no connection to it whatsoever. They've got as much chance of being Muslim as I have of being the Pope, and that's never going to happen.


I'm sorry but I disagree I think they follow the teachings of Allah to the letter. the same cannot be said for all other religions. In modern times most religions do not support the killing of civilians,beheading,raping,suicide bombings. I'm not talking history I'm talking 2015. what other religion are you referring to that not just condones but encourages the slaughter of others by any means including suicide bombings? or the rape of children (Boko Haram) Islam is vicious at its core and should be wiped from modern times. or we can sit passively and let them kill us. As we have over and over again.
Popel Vooje
5373 posts

Edited Nov 16, 2015, 12:18
Re: I'm so confused.....
Nov 14, 2015, 17:51
thispoison wrote:
On a night like this I'd happily see every Mosque in Europe bulldozed.


On a night like this I'd happily see all religious belief being made an into an imprisonable offence worldwide, frankly. And that includes Nazism, Marxism/Leninism, Maoism and all the other belief systems which are religions in all but name. Not that people - being people - wouldn't find other excuses to slaughter each other en masse of course...

Re Jeremy Corbyns's statement - I think it makes more sense than you give it credit for, given that Jihadists seek martrydom and that by killing them you're giving them exactly what they want. I think arrest and trial would be a more humiliating punishment and would be less likely to fuel further revenge attacks in the west. I doubt he's suggesting that Jihadi John shouldn't have been killed if that were the only logistically possible means of extinguishing the threat - just that it would have been preferable if the alternatives of arrest and trial HAD been feasible.
Sin Agog
Sin Agog
2253 posts

Re: I'm so confused.....
Nov 14, 2015, 18:02
'O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or make fun of your names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors.'

“Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.”

'To you be your religion, to me be mine.'


“…There is no compulsion in religion…”

“You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.”

'Certainly, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Sabians, and the Christians, whoever acknowledges God and the Last Day and does good, will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. '

“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by God! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are declared to be protected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
1110 posts

Re: I'm so confused.....
Nov 14, 2015, 18:17
billding68 wrote:


I'm sorry but I disagree I think they follow the teachings of Allah to the letter. the same cannot be said for all other religions. In modern times most religions do not support the killing of civilians,beheading,raping,suicide bombings. I'm not talking history I'm talking 2015. what other religion are you referring to that not just condones but encourages the slaughter of others by any means including suicide bombings? or the rape of children (Boko Haram) Islam is vicious at its core and should be wiped from modern times. or we can sit passively and let them kill us. As we have over and over again.


I appreciate you're going to disagree, I didn't expect you to. Well there's Christians in Africa who burn so-called witches alive, Christian in America, ok Westboro, KKK etc who condone violence and abuse and a wave of right wing groups around the world preaching hate whilst claiming to be Christian. Book Haram isn't Islamic, their leader doesn't pray and knows no scripture, both being central requirements to be a Muslim

http://www.dailysabah.com/africa/2015/09/25/boko-haram-leader-cant-read-quran-nor-perform-islamic-prayers

Problem is if you're blaming a whole religion for the actions of a very, very small minority then you're missing the fact that ISIS are the ones attacking Muslims, which makes no sense whatsoever. Think about it this way, you're not going to make friends and influence people by shooting their friends and family are you? So to say ISIS are Muslim really makes no sense. I've read the Qur'an, I've a degree in religion and nowhere does it say in there that Muslims should undertake these types of atrocities.
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