fitzcoraldo
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Re: Wanker
Sep 22, 2000, 23:50
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I'd rather have a babycham
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Lord Lucan
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Re: BUGGER
Sep 23, 2000, 00:05
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Interesting, your tale of the schoolkids. A similar thing happens with the gay community. It's OK for us to refer to each other as 'queer' (and 'faggot' is starting to be used amongst gay people too), but as soon as a straight person uses it in the same context it changes its meaning completely, even if you know them really well. The potency of its level of offensiveness is still there when it comes from someone outside the community. I suppose the appropriation of an offensive label needs to be taken on-board totally by a community before anyone outside is excused using it themselves.
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Lord Lucan
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Re: Wanker
Sep 23, 2000, 00:10
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A pint of Babycham it is, then!
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Lord Lucan
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Re: Wanker
Sep 23, 2000, 00:11
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Damn! How about without tongues?
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Annexus Quam
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Re: BUGGER
Sep 23, 2000, 08:29
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It is taking longer and longer to download that one so here's a new one. I am also getting lost in it and finding it too tame now that everyone's buying each other pints and talking (tongue-)snogging and stuff.
your story, Vox, is very exemplary of what I said before about "negotiation of meanings and negotiation of relations". even an inoffensive word like "silly" can vary its effects according to intonation or emphasis, or what's more exciting, in certain contexts. I have to restrain myself from using the word "bloody" for instance, when I am in front of certain dear ones. That used to piss me right off, but as a sign of social respect I have now accepted it (but that has given me the chance to use it more strategically and more effectively!).
going back to the original source of this discussion I'll say the topic has veered off a wee bit. The cool non-cringing razor penguin has seen his chance to escape from admitting he is finally going to become a vegetarian.
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Shrimp
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Re: Wanker
Sep 23, 2000, 16:35
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Its not the words that do all that - it is your, or anyone else, implying some form of meaning to them that does that.
Words make you think and are one of the power tools that we are all provided with.
Our senses and instincts are far more powerful.
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Razor Penguin
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Re: B*****
Sep 23, 2000, 19:21
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Ha, ha, Meester Quam!! Yer really a loon!
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Razor Penguin
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Re: a sense of direction
Sep 23, 2000, 19:36
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This will be my last post on this thread for the reason you stated on the new one, my friend.
Some good points, there, Annexus. I absolutely respect your right to pursue your beliefs; I just want to make sure others respect mine as well. I admire the impulses behind vegetarianism in many ways, but I don't want the discussion to become "one-sided," to use Jung's term.
The situation in the States has changed dramatically in recent years. Organic foods are huge, and people are far more aware of what they eat and also of "alternative" modes of health care. The generalism you mention in regard to Americans' eating habits is largely justified still, especially in middle America, but the situation is changing rapidly.
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