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bladup wrote: PMM wrote: "Revolutions are impossible when you look forward. Inevitable when you look back." I forget who said it but it makes sense to me.
"The Army" and "The Police" may be the forces of the establishment. The Soldiers and Policemen that comprise them are ordinary human beings. They too are struggling to pay off the mortgage, or have close family that's going through hard times. Therein lies hope I think.
I read something about this a few months ago.
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/a-crisis-of-legitimacy.html
John Michael Greer wrote: It’s all too common for the political class of a troubled nation to lose track of the fact that, after all, its power depends on the willingness of a great many people outside the political class to do what they’re told. In Paris in 1789, in St. Petersburg in 1917, and in a great many other places and times, the people who thought that they held the levers of power and repression discovered to their shock that the only power they actually had was the power to issue orders, and those who were supposed to carry those orders out could, when matters came to a head, decide that their own interests lay elsewhere.
The whole article is worth a read.
Thanks i will, one problem is as soon as that uniforms pulled on [police and army] they become a thing, a part of something big and powerful, so they also feel big and powerful and this seems to stop their humanity somewhat, it's a shame but i think it's true, the uniform is part of the problem, look at that robo cop outfit they wear for riots, it speaks "come on lets fight" to people, it's all sending out the wrong message.
As someone who has pulled on that uniform (Army) , I have to disagree and ave to wonder how you came to that conclusion.. I never felt part of something big and powerful. When you are taking fire, being attacked, no matter how big the squad you feel one thing. Alone.
Maybe vulnerable as well.
The uniform is a neccesary evil. Can you imagine having to, in a middle of a riot, having to struggle to differentiate who is police and who is trying to throw a bottle at you?
Also, I imagine young girls in Manchester would, if they could, argue over the level of protection a basic uniform actually offers you. And, they would argue how effective a taser is against a fire arm
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