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Moon Cat 8879 posts |
Sep 07, 2000, 11:32
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Hello again Mare-C and co! Phew...there sure is a lot going on here ain't there? I really appreciate everybody's wisdom, candour and wit addressing the issues under discussion here. Mare-C, I was appalled to hear about your GP's attitude to your plight. That smacks (pardon the pun) of wilfull ignorance and prejudice to me. I have a friend (mentioned in earlier posts) that has done an awful lot of research into drugs, and particulary hallucinogens. There is very little evidence to suggest that there is such a thing as "acid flashbacks" as often described by hysterical "factual" articles on drugs. Okay, we have established that things affect people in different ways. But...and here's where it get's a bit Mulderish; it has been suggested that the notion of "flashbacks" plus things like people jumping off buildings in the notion that they could fly, actually results from the US Government putting these ideas about in the late 60's early 70's in order to discourage the use of drugs and hallucinogens in particular. Personally I have never come across anyone (and we're talking a lot of people over the years) that has had a "flashback" as it is traditionally regarded. There is very little reliable documentation of such experiences either. Certainly I believe that some folks may experience things brought on by their own psychosis, but the LSD as "flashback" fodder is an idea with scant evidence to give it creedence. File under urban myth? Glad to hear that you are happier with the acceptance of your problems. I too enjoy things a lot more now that I can recognise the things and issues that have had negative effects on me. Bless (:-])
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Lord Lucan 2702 posts |
Sep 07, 2000, 12:14
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Nice to read some rational sense being talked about this aspect of the LSD issue. I'm sick of the 'Well, acid turns people looney, look at Syd Barrett.' attitude people keep coming out with. The word 'knee-jerk' comes to mind. Also, why do people think it's cool for rock stars to end up in mental institutions? It's not, it's a sad thing to happen to any human being, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
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Lord Lucan 2702 posts |
Sep 07, 2000, 13:40
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A couple of bits of advice to add to Merrick's brilliant posting, which I agree with wholeheartedly. Re: the issue of 'bad trips'... Like Merrick I'm a bit of a fan of the 'uncontrollable' aspects of LSD and the freefall weirdness of it all. Like I said earlier, I've never had anything I would class as a bad trip. However, for those who are worried about this there are two things you should remember if it starts to happen. Firstly, remind yourself forcefully that you have taken a drug. This is not the permanent state of your mind, and it will subside. This is sometimes enough to calm you down and prevent you from going with the freak-out feeling. Secondly, if you feel unable to change the situation you are in yourself in the way Merrick suggests (lighting, music etc), agree with the friends you are tripping with to use the word 'Freak!' in an emergency. (Do this before dropping the tab, and make sure EVERYONE knows this.) What you can then do if you feel things are getting too much is to say the word 'Freak' to one of your friends, and they will leap into action. Using this word avoids stringing a sentence together and trying to express in words how you feel. This code word has been an unwritten agreement me and my friends have had for years. It's only needed to be used twice. The one time I was involved one of my friends came up to me in the club we were in, said the word and I leapt into action. I whisked him out of the club, far away from the music and madness and mayhem and he calmed him very quickly. He later said he felt that having this word was akin to a mountain-climber having a safety rope. Just a tip which I felt I should pass on!
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mare-C 156 posts |
Sep 13, 2000, 00:27
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I've always wondered about this business of flashbacks myself. How come in the everyday scheme of things you're allowed to have Proustian rushes of reawakened memory, or strange feelings of having been here before, or occasions of serendipitous coincidence & chance meeting, or flashes of sudden insight, but if you have any of those things & you've taken a hallucinogenic at any point in your life, you're somehow damaged or perceptually-misfiring? It seems to me the mind is wired for flashbacks - or at least intuition is a vital part of our mental processes. To take such a fantastic ability (without which there would be precious little art or innovation of any worth) & render it simply a bogeyman to warn you off of substance abuse seems to me a base & reductive action. An aside here. Not something I'm especially proud of, but I used to like whisky too much in the past, a trait I shared with my dad (& his dad, & his brother). We were speaking about all this not that long ago, & I asked him why he cut back on the stuff. He's not given to open introspection or the fanciful, but his reply was, "It made me see ghosts". I knew exactly what he meant. But of course, whisky's legal, so there's no way that could give you flashbacks, is there? I dunno, just a thought.
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a23 1004 posts |
Sep 13, 2000, 19:34
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Plenty of people get flashbacks without ever having taken LSD - usually of some particularly traumatic experience - eg warfare being the classic, but also life threatening situations, rape, sexual abuse as a child etc. I've also had quite a few women tell me about vivid flashback experiences to childbirth, often around the child's next birthday. I suppose flashbacks differ markedly from feelings of deja vu or simple memories as they tend to arise fully formed and intense. Whether LSD flashbacks or tripbacks as I might call them are identical, I'm not sure. Anyone had both forms of experience that can shed some light??
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Merrick 2148 posts |
Sep 13, 2000, 22:22
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I think you may have hold of the stick's incorrect terminus; What I mean here is that there is never any LSD that's impure or is another drug being sold as LSD. No other psychoactive could have any effect at the tiny doses you'd get on a piece of blotting paper. It's either LSD or ele it's just a piece of paper. There's nothing else they *could* be selling you.
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Moon Cat 8879 posts |
Sep 14, 2000, 16:04
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Very thought provoking, but then you get to expect that round here! I should just like to say, I was referring more to the "horror story" notions of flashbacks that appears in anti-drug literature and documentaries. Stuff on a par with the anti-cannabis 1950's USA film crud classic "Reefer Madness" . Anyone seen any of this? It's a hoot! Preppy kids take one puff of the "EVIL WEED" and set about on an orgy of rampaging and destruction. Those crazy kids! What a load of arse! I've never seen anyone that stoned have the energy to rampage! But that's the kind of politicised dis-information I'm going on about.
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fitzcoraldo 2706 posts |
Sep 15, 2000, 00:38
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on the dope testing front. how long does lsd stay in the system?
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Vox Phantom 104 posts |
Sep 15, 2000, 15:35
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It doesn't stay in the body long at all, as I understand it. So a blood or urine test within a day or two won't show anything. However, it deposits in the hair and fingernails, and can be found with tests there. This may be an urban legend, I suppose, but this is what I always heard.
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Lord Lucan 2702 posts |
Sep 18, 2000, 01:51
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I've actually heard the opposite: that it stays in the body for up to six months. This I think I read in the context of someone's argument that LSD is not a poison, and so it loves to stay in us. Possibly a dubious source. Anyone with the definitive answer, let us know!
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