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Moon Cat 8855 posts |
Sep 05, 2000, 09:16
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Again, thanks for the input on this interesting subject I must clarify that my discussion with my friends after reading the initial statement (I think it was in the NME!) obviously centred around our OWN individual experiences. I wouldn't presume that all things work the same way for everyone. That's why I felt inclined to ask a broader spectrum of people about what they think i.e you lot! It's interesting about the "cobweb clearing" feeling mentioned post-trip. That has certainly happened to me more than once. Even after the one bad trip I have had (which in itself was an interesting experience I have to say) I felt like I'd kind of rinsed my mind out and purged myself of the anxiety that caused the trip to go bad. Odd but true (for me!) At the end of the day I tend to figure that as long as you're making an informed choice about what you're doing then do your thing. I personally believe that any use of hallucinogens within a group of friends (never done it alone and not inclined to either) requires a huge amount of trust between those friends. For me ( note FOR ME), the use of hallucinogens has, for the most part been a highly enjoyable, often illuminating experience and HAS resulted in me appreciating the simple shape and form of the everyday world with a greater clarity than before. But I think this would be ruined if I caned 'em at every given opportunity. I think a lot of perspective would be lost. And for the record, I prefer a shroom trip to acid anyway!. ( But on the other paw you can stick your E's up yer butt. Not interested. Bleee!) Bless yous for your thoughtwaves! MC
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Buzzard of Morfe 196 posts |
Sep 05, 2000, 09:57
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You are right about the 'cobwebs'. It's so easy for our heads to get filled with crap day to day accepted bigotry and platitude in society. **** Likewise, it probably doesn't work for everyone, but psilocybe is sacred to me, it is nature's gift to be used and not abused, much as everything else. Not that it hasn't been used socially by yours truly, and likewise abused. But there are only so many cabbages on the ceiling that you can laugh at before you need to go to the woods or mountains, alone, and communicate. The de-inhibiting effects of psilocybe are often essential in order to commune. The great spirit, the goddess, the breath, can remain hidden from us soooo easily. Surely we all need the veil to be lifted once a year? I know I do! And I make no bones about it, no sirree!
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Moon Cat 8855 posts |
Sep 05, 2000, 10:02
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To answer Lord L's Ket question: I once had a trip with a small amount of ketamine: Very odd. The normal "fluidity" of the trip turned into what I called "spiky world" where everything seemed really angular, sideways and odd. It also had this bizarre displacement effect. We were playing pool in a friends basement (and you can imagine how mad that game was!) and we had a break and went upstairs. As I followed my friends up the stairs, I had this really weird feeling that I was still leaning against the basement wall, with a cue in my hand....occupying the space I had already left!!! WHoooaaa bibble. It wasn't scary, just really odd. But shrooms still rule for me.
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Lord Lucan 2702 posts |
Sep 05, 2000, 14:02
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Interesting to read more agreement with the clearing the cobwebs away thing. Thought it was something only me and my mates had noticed. Makes you wonder. Perhaps it's something to do with rationalising the connections the brain makes, a bit like defragmenting your C:drive. Totally wild speculation, but I reckon a distinct possibility. I had a very strong K experience which was so confusing that it was impossible to learn anything much, and I had a banging headache the next day and felt distinctly muddle-headed. In some ways it had a polar opposite effect to acid. By the way, everything I said above is a fictional account of what I imagine to be the effects on me if I did this, which I probably haven't, or something.
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Moon Cat 8855 posts |
Sep 05, 2000, 14:25
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Oh....yes. I too should like to add that all the experiences I have describded are of course hypothetical and one should in no way interpret the previous discourse as being a factual account of my activities. The discussions outlined on this thread are purely fictional and are there simply for the enjoyment of the viewer. In fact, I too am fictional quite a lot of the time. Bless your non-extistences MC
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cammy 20 posts |
Sep 05, 2000, 15:01
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Could anyone point me in the direction of a publication and/or website that would give one sterling information if one were so inclined to pick mushrooms with that added quality ?
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Annexus Quam 916 posts |
Sep 05, 2000, 17:44
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Hurrah!
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mare-C 156 posts |
Sep 06, 2000, 03:15
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Been following this strand with interest, & I'm glad someone mentioned this quandary regarding the individual's ability to cope with a trip. I remain an acid virgin, & indeed have no real interest in risking the stuff. All the anecdotal evidence suggests the experiment is too random for my liking, plus I simply don't trust that the modern acid isn't laced with all manner of shite. I can hardly worry about GM & the like if I'm gonna cram some other factory hybrid substance down my neck. Personally, I'd feel a hypocrite. Moreover, I used to suffer badly from panic attacks & manic episodes, including auditory hallucinations. These have tempered over the years, the trick sometimes being to rely on medical help, but ultimately to accept the fact that the mind isn't always able to correctly process all the stimuli it receives. Resisting this will inevitably lead to shortcircuiting. What's interesting, though, is that as I've got older & understood more about the condition, I've explored such avenues as self-hypnosis & simple meditative techniques to defeat these anxieties, & found that the experience is something akin to the sort of scales-from-eyes experiences others here have ascribed to acid. Shrooms I have tried on several occasions (moderate dosages only), always amongst good friends, & the trips I've found pleasant & illuminating. Furthermore, I've been able to resist some of the weirder, less pleasant visions because I've had to train myself not to panic in the everyday, 'real' world. The only nark I've had about tripping is that there's always someone who seems desperate to impose meaning on the experience - you know the type I'm sure, the nagging voice insisting that there's a distinct message being offered. (I've always found that story of the Beatles' first dope encounter hilarious, specifically McCartney announcing that he was "thinking properly for the first time" & demanding that someone write down his thoughts - it's that sort of didactic interpretation I'm speaking about.) I can't agree with your point, Shrimp, that everyone should be administered with a trip when young. I'll agree that everyone should be encouraged to see beyond the first-level world. Once you accept that there are vibrations & sensations that defy easy & uptight definition (& the everyday evidence of our own minds is overwhelming), life is certainly richer & more rewarding. But I'm not convinced that acid or other chemically-assisted means of realising this are anything but a shortcut to such realisations, & further, I worry about the possible damage. Personally, I got just as big a rush from Jung's notions of coincidence & archetype as I ever did from shrooms - in fact I'd say the former had more lasting effect as regards changing my worldview permanently. I suppose the key is; whatever you're using, as long as you're expanding your horizons & performing mental aerobics, not simply seeking passive oblivion, then you'll be fine. ***** Apologies if this comes over as unnecessarily negative - this is only a minor grievance I felt I had to point out. I have to say in mitigation that this strand demonstrates the good sense & responsible discussion I've come to love from everyone around here.
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Moon Cat 8855 posts |
Sep 06, 2000, 09:15
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Cool post Mare-C I too have suffered from panic/anxiety attacks is the past, and even now, sometimes carry a homeopathic rescue remedy on me if I'm feeling a bit stressed. I agree with looking to exercise your mind for your health and well being as well as simple psychedelic indulgence. I used to find it very difficult to relax and just tried a few simple breathing exercises etc. to sort meself out. I would never suggest that hallucinogens of any sort are for everybody. In fact I know people that I'm certain it would be a really bad idea for them. But then that so easily applies to many things in life: For example, my friend thinks cucumber is a nice snack and I think it's the Devil's Own Pecker engorged with demonic death juice and it makes me vomit in an Exorcist stylee. So there you are! Keep smiling :-)
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Lord Lucan 2702 posts |
Sep 06, 2000, 11:01
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Too right. To give a more extreme example a friend of mine has been sectioned more times than I can remember now and has been in a constant battle with mental illness since over-doing it on acid years ago. I, on the other hand, took more than him and have had no such problems. Different strokes for different folks for sure. Let's keep it in perspective, though. This can be said for ALL drugs (including alcohol and tobacco). There are none which pose no possible risk. It's a case of sizing up the risks for yourself and also accepting responsibility for your own choices and blaming no-one else if anything goes wrong. The best advice I can give, and a path I've always tried to follow, is to at least educate yourself about both the pros and cons before dabbling. This is essentially part of what we're doing here anyway.
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