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Moon Cat 8866 posts |
Sep 01, 2000, 15:06
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Here's a quandry for you good people. I was recently reading some music rag and a journalist opined something to the notion that s/he felt hallucinogens were a bad thing 'cos you spend all your time looking a stuff and thinking "that would look really cool on acid/shrooms etc." and not appreciating things for what they are. I discussed this chez Moon Cat with some chums and while we could see the reason in what was being said, we actually felt that you end up looking at and appreciating MORE stuff around you, probably checking out flowers, trees etc that you may have ordinarily passed by. M'luds, laydeez and Jellyfish: what sayest thou? MC
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Buzzard of Morfe 196 posts |
Sep 01, 2000, 16:29
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I say, I say, they're talkin' bull-shiyut, some thing's just n'dunna make yew look diffrently at things. Them folks what say things would look'n better with chemicals n' that just plain ain't lookin at stuff right ANY old how. Shheeesh. Give a monkey a drum an they's just gotta bang it.
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Moon Cat 8866 posts |
Sep 03, 2000, 14:04
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Only one reply?!! I lay one of the BIG QUESTIONS down on your asses and I get one lousy reply?!!! What's with you people!!! Are you all mashed or something? Only kidding...Hee hee hheeeee Thank you Morfester! I have just returned from a most illuminating evening. I have (not for the first time) tripped through the city at night and all it's intense ugliness, magnificence, violence, groove and basic raw power launched itself at me..a total piece of class 1 head fuckery. (Concerned viewers will be pleased to see that all ended cozy n' chilled at chez Moon Cat with odd cigarettes, fine wines, sterling company, chocolate and strange music. Messrs Singh and Hillage were involved. And wait tell I tell you guys about Fat Orange Mouse!) Hey Morfe, try this for size. Not so long ago I read in a book on paganism that cities, or parts of 'em, could be sacred spaces too, if you treat 'em right Personally I take that to mean not littering, being polite and gracious etc., and ESPECIALLY not being a BIG FAT COCK-BASTARD DRUNK FUCKER WITH NO VISIBLE NECK AND TOO MUCH BONE IN THE BROW AREA. Hmm? Still.....Boneheads...You need the ugly to make us more beautiful. Be blessed you stars (Note to self: Must buy PC..this is costing me a mint!)
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Buzzard of Morfe 196 posts |
Sep 03, 2000, 19:14
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I must apologise old chap, I read your question hurriedly while packing to go to Wales, I just find your friend's comments to be glib and uninspiring. I agree that it is indeed a sad inditement of contraculture to hear people saying 'oh man that scene would look sooooo cooool on acid!', like they missed the point without. Different worlds? As for me, I left the city, and it was a most unholy place, vibrant, granted, but only beautiful in an intellectual/existential fashion, which just 'aint REAL enough for me any more! If that sounds like snobbery, I apologise, it's just my honest feelings about the whole thing. Retrospetus in Excelsis. Bee Blessed
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Summer 26 posts |
Sep 03, 2000, 19:26
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Interesting to think about, Moon Cat. The cool thing about acid is that once you've experienced it, you *know* so much more than you did before. You've opened your mind permanently, even if you choose never to trip again.So I don't agree agree at all with what you read - it's a very narrow way of looking at things, isn't it?
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Shrimp 1115 posts |
Sep 03, 2000, 20:19
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I agree with you Summer - one small trip and you have opened your mind to exploration of whatever you like. You never forget it and yes it does make you look at things in a totally different light. I firmly believe that everyone should be given at least one trip or mind opening drug or whatever at an early age so as to provide some sort of early enlightenment. The major problem is that like with alcohol and chocolate some people cannot cope with the effect that it can have. That is the dilemma. Once you have tripped then I see no reason to repeat the experience as your brain and body should be able to visualise the experience through its own enlightenment. The only reason to repeat the prescription is the wish or desire to get away from reality. Most of what you get these days isn't acid anyway. At least mushrooms are organic and natural. The last time I experimented I ended up walking the streets for hours and nearly set upon a stranger walking his dog who I thought was stalking me. My drugs of choice are now: Music Books Wine Beer Jack Daniels I can't work out though why none of them are illegal!
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aa23 5 posts |
Sep 03, 2000, 22:02
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I have to confess no real perspective on this one - working in a job that makes possession/consumption of illicit substances hazardous (at least if I want to continue working that is) has left me a hallucinogenic virgin. I've certainly worked professionally with plenty of people who have had their mind "expanded", not always with positive results. I've always been tempted to "experiment" and I have little doubt that under the right circumstances a little trip could indeed take you places you'd never get to otherwise. I guess it becomes dangerous if you keep on wanting to go there... Meantime, I'll keep to Shrimp's collection of mind expanding methods (maybe adding some candles/incense while doing the music & alcohol options)
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Moon Cat 8866 posts |
Sep 04, 2000, 08:58
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Thanks for the response, it's very interesting so far! I should just like to add that I regard tripping as a very, very occasional activity, time and place and people obviously being very important to the experience. On a personal level something that I do regard as a good thing as regards hallucinogens is that unlike alcohol, I have rarely if ever had any debilitating after-effects and I remember stuff too! I guess moderation is the key factor in whatever tickles your fancy, be it trips or Old Scrotes Peculiar Straw Ale etc. Too much of a good thing etc. I guess we should always, unlike the mainstream media, make a distinction between recreational drug USE and AB-use. For example; I would regard someone having a single trip in a session as USING acid , but someone necking shedloads as Ab-using it. I guess the same applies to a few pints and trying to sink a couple of buckets!!! A friend of mine who has heavily researched and in fact lectured on hallucinogens pointed out that there are many myths surrounding their use i.e the idea of "flashbacks" is regarded as pretty much a fabrication. I've never heard of anyone experiencing such a thing. And the idea of "people jumping out of windows because they think they can fly" is apparently something of an exaggeration too! Interesting stuff for sure!
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Lord Lucan 2702 posts |
Sep 04, 2000, 20:20
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I think your friends' premise is wrong. The idea that everyone is going to experience any drug (from alcohol to the most mind-expanding/bending Class A) the same way is patently wrong. I've never had a bad trip, whereas I know people who've only done it once and had a hellish time. Our interpretation of what happened to us is obviously different. LSD can be used to expand your mind, or it can be used to simply go to a swirling adults' playground. I've used it to pretty much do a combination of the two. I was heavily into it in a big way for a couple of years a few years back, and stopped once I'd pretty much learnt what I felt was there to be learnt. This was not a conscious decision, however, I just one day realised I hadn't done it for a while, and it's somewhere I now only feel the need to go occasionally. One thing I definitely find, as do other friends of mine, is that if I have shit-loads of crap to sort through in my head, taking a trip leaves me actually feeling more clear-headed afterwards. It seems to give the mind a Spring clean and it all falls into place more easily. The things that worried and confused me before my trip are less worrying after. As far as seeing the world in a different way, I am eternally grateful to LSD for doing this. Seeing the beauty in the world around me and in what has been artistically produced by others has definitely been heightened in me because of it. Also, it's a good tool for seeing the product of one's own artistic output from a different vantage-point, allowing you to see the 'what' rather than the 'how'. I think it's important to mention that those who say 'I bet that would look good on acid' ARE actually saying 'Wow, look at that, isn't it amazing.' Putting it in the context of how it would look on acid is a way of justifying them drawing your attention to it without seeming like a fruitcake. It's just a less honest way of expressing wonderment at things as they are. However I'm sure they do appreciate the value without the drug. I definitely fit into the catagory of a former LSD abuser, but I have now got to the stage of occasional user, but I refuse to cast stones at those who are 'caners'. My glass-house is too fragile as far as that goes! Any substance which is so fascinating is worthy of more admiration than any of the other hedonistic substances consumed with greater eagerness by the majority of people. However, hedonism, is not necessarily wrong and I live a far from ascetic lifestyle. I'm babbling now, so I'll stop! One last point, though. Ketamine strikes me as the smack of hallucinogens, lacking the clarity of LSD. I'm not keen on it at all. Anyone else got a different opinion/experience?
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Annexus Quam 916 posts |
Sep 04, 2000, 21:48
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My drugs are tea, stones and sex. Documentation on this subject: Prehistory of Psychedelia by Paul Devereux. Prehistory of Sex by Timothy Taylor. Prehistory of Tea (as yet unpublished).
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