IanB
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Edited Aug 20, 2010, 17:24
Positive Action With The Nuge
Aug 20, 2010, 17:16
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Right Wing Nutter? Agent Provocateur? Inveterate Crowd Pleaser Taking A Wrong Turn?
Ted's right wing Palinesque positions are the stuff of legend but this is possibly a step beyond run of the mill rock star stupidty ....
"There's a lot of white people in this crowd -- I like that! (Dubuque) is a white town."
http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=291659
http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=292821
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Moon Cat
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Edited Aug 20, 2010, 17:27
Re: Positive Action With The Nuge
Aug 20, 2010, 17:26
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Genuinely surprised (and appalled) by that.
Granted The Nuge has been cartooning his Stars N Stripes selling point for a good few decades now. He's as cartoon as KISS are in his bow-toting raw meat eating way.
But, at the heart of it appeared to be essentially, a gung-ho libertarian. He once claimed he'd "die" for the "right" for homosexuals to go about their business even if he didn't care for them as a sexual preference. And I've read that he extolled the virtues of black people and in fact proclaimed himself to be "black" in the sense of the roots of rock n roll.
I dunno, this sounds more like just a totally cretinous effort to still shock and outrage when he's playing clubs in some town to ever diminshing returns. Sad more than anything really. Silly old cunt.
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IanB
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Re: Positive Action With The Nuge
Aug 20, 2010, 17:32
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Moon Cat wrote: Silly old cunt.
That's pretty much word for word what I thought. Though maybe that is me letting him off too lightly because I like a couple of his records so much. I guess I wont know until someone whose music I actually hate makes the same kind of statement in public.
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grufty jim
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Edited Aug 20, 2010, 17:36
Re: Positive Action With The Nuge
Aug 20, 2010, 17:35
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Moon Cat wrote: But, at the heart of it appeared to be essentially, a gung-ho libertarian.
Doubtlessly that's how it started. Trouble is, if you're a gung-ho libertarian you will probably end up socialising with some fairly dodgy types. And eventually their more extreme ideas will start to seep into you. It's near impossible to avoid.
Having said that, even if he were just a gung-ho libertarian with no racist views, it'd put him on the other side of the fence from me personally. Libertarianism sounds fine and dandy if you don't look too deep below the surface, but any kind of analysis of it reveals an essentially anti-human philosophy.
EDIT: PS. I'm not actually familiar with his music, so I have no 'artistic' reason to defend or attack the guy.
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Moon Cat
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Edited Aug 20, 2010, 17:46
Re: Positive Action With The Nuge
Aug 20, 2010, 17:45
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IanB wrote: Moon Cat wrote: Silly old cunt.
That's pretty much word for word what I thought. Though maybe that is me letting him off too lightly because I like a couple of his records so much. I guess I wont know until someone whose music I actually hate makes the same kind of statement in public.
Well, the thing is, he, like some other artists we could mention, are known more their 'character' than their music to the vast majority of people these days. Let's face it, Morrissey, some one you might see as TN's antithesis, spent a looooooong time being known for his 'outrageous' viewpoints rather than his records until "You Are The Quarry" rescued him from the doldrums...for a bit anyway. Rock n Roll is littered with old silly buggers, particularly those with something of a 'rep', saying stupid, obnoxious things cos it's all people wanna hear from them anymore.
It doesn't make Ted Nugent's comments any less abhorrent but then knowing it diminshes their power and makes him look more like a ...well, silly old cunt, than anything dangerous.
He should call his next album "Silly Old Cunt". Half the promo is done!
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handofdave
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Re: Positive Action With The Nuge
Aug 20, 2010, 17:50
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He's cashing in on the USA's current atmosphere of rural white rebellion. I haven't paid any attention to him since I was 16.
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Moon Cat
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Re: Positive Action With The Nuge
Aug 20, 2010, 17:53
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Agree!
Quite like some of his tunes but he's always talked shite to me for the most part, sometimes admitedlly, in a quite entertaining way. He's a button presser, likes to wind up the "pantywaists" on the left kinda thing. It's kinda of like the audience expectation of Jeremy Clarkson - you know, go on, say something "shocking". Or of John Lydon even. But this latest thing seems more an act of stoopid desperation rather than an ideaology made manifest. Who knows?
Maybe he is hanging out with fuck-wits. Maybe that's all he can play to these days. Sad if it's true
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handofdave
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Re: Positive Action With The Nuge
Aug 20, 2010, 17:55
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My perception of American-style libertarianism is that it rests very much on the mythology of the 'self-made man', which is a potent one in the US mindset, and more and more so the farther west you go.
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Lawrence
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Edited Aug 20, 2010, 18:03
Re: Positive Action With The Nuge
Aug 20, 2010, 17:57
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On the subject of that Grufty, the thing that's annoying me about these Ayn Randian self-styled 'libertarians' is the whole largely imaginary construct of "natural rights". They talk as though these rights actually exist, though real rights are ones that are written down and voted on, etc...
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Lawrence
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Re: Positive Action With The Nuge
Aug 20, 2010, 18:02
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handofdave wrote: He's cashing in on the USA's current atmosphere of rural white rebellion. I haven't paid any attention to him since I was 16.
I never liked him or his generic wheezy guitar style. Well OK, the Amboy Jukes "Journey to the Center of the Mind" was good -- dunno what Nugent himself had to do with it besides his lead guitar...
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