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IanB 4702 posts |
Edited Aug 21, 2010, 18:19
Aug 21, 2010, 18:05
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grufty jim wrote: pooley wrote: The ethos of this site should be a meeting place for copey followers, regardless of politics etc. While that's true of the Village Pump and Unsung, it's just a fact that U-Know! has a specific political slant and ethos that is based around Julian's political views rather than his music. I don't know whether I could explain to an outsider what Cope's politcal views are. I see the Drudion writings as a series of footnotes to the music he is making at that time. Taken together as a body of thought I am not sure that all those monthly outpourings add up to a specific coherent position that we can either be in agreement with or opposed to. I see them more as an on-going diary of what has his attention in that specific moment. With all the contradictions that you would expect. Seems to me that some people come on here (U-Know) in order to wishfully co-opt the virtual Cope and his fellow travellers (us) into *their* politics and that this is where some of the trouble starts. They see something in a Drudion that takes their fancy and assume we are all in the same boat and that Cope is still in that boat himself. Big mistake!
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grufty jim 1770 posts |
Aug 21, 2010, 19:31
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IanB wrote: I don't know whether I could explain to an outsider what Cope's politcal views are. I see the Drudion writings as a series of footnotes to the music he is making at that time. Taken together as a body of thought I am not sure that all those monthly outpourings add up to a specific coherent position that we can either be in agreement with or opposed to. I see them more as an on-going diary of what has his attention in that specific moment. With all the contradictions that you would expect. Seems to me that some people come on here (U-Know) in order to wishfully co-opt the virtual Cope and his fellow travellers (us) into *their* politics and that this is where some of the trouble starts. They see something in a Drudion that takes their fancy and assume we are all in the same boat and that Cope is still in that boat himself. Big mistake! I'm not basing my perception of Julian's political views on the Drudion, which are, for the most part, posts about music. Enjoyable and informative posts, but mostly musical ones. I'm basing my perception of Julian's political views, or more accurately of the political slant of this section of his website, on other things.
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Moon Cat 7264 posts |
Aug 23, 2010, 17:45
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Yes, but it is true Julian's drudions have, more often than not, over the years had sunbstantial political content above and beyond the music mumblings. I mean, he's often been in righteous rage mode regarding religion etc in the Druidions which will, inevitably, be seen as providing a political point of view, no matter how far we might wish to seperates God(s) and government in the 'real' world. And seeing as a lot of his musings of late have been aligned with his whole current "Black Sheep" thang - which has to mine eyes a highly polticised angle to it even if we're speaking in broad terms - then it's not unreasonable for even the most casual of browsers to form some perspective on Julian's political leanings. Not saying one should assume where Cope puts his X in the box on Polling Day from all the Drudions. But one can see ideaologies and politicised threads in there.
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pooley 501 posts |
Aug 23, 2010, 19:10
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His political leanings are not something I care a great deal about. For me, with him, it's about the music. And only up to, and including maybe half of, interpreter....
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grufty jim 1770 posts |
Aug 23, 2010, 19:41
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I'm not saying there's no political content in the Drudions. Just saying that my understanding of the political slant of U-Know! and, by extension, of our host's political (not necessarily "party" political) perspective isn't informed by them alone. Of course, the political slant of any public forum is ultimately set by those who use it. But when U-Know! was set up, it was done so as a place to discuss politics from a particular perspective. It has obviously mutated and evolved over time, but it is nonetheless the political section of a Julian Cope website and therefore bears, to some extent, Julian's politics.
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PMM 2941 posts |
Edited Aug 23, 2010, 21:25
Aug 23, 2010, 21:17
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As is Julian's choice of a radical activist as the moderator/editor for this part of the site.
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grufty jim 1770 posts |
Edited Aug 23, 2010, 21:54
Aug 23, 2010, 21:54
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PMM wrote: As is Julian's choice of a radical activist as the moderator/editor for this part of the site. Well, that's very much the point I'm making. Merrick's a close friend of mine and I've got a fairly good handle on where his head's at, politics-wise (though his vendetta against donkeys always gives me pause for thought). So the fact that he was chosen as the editor of U-Know! tells me a lot about how Julian sees this section of the site.
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IanB 4702 posts |
Edited Aug 24, 2010, 14:24
Aug 24, 2010, 10:35
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Moon Cat wrote: Not saying one should assume where Cope puts his X in the box on Polling Day from all the Drudions. But one can see ideaologies and politicised threads in there. Absolutely there are threads just like there are threads in the music. And what an aritst says in their work (or say about what they are saying in their work) isn't necessarily what they practise in their day to day lives. That's not hypocrisy. It is inevitable that there is a private Julian Cope and also various public Julian Copes. Frankly some of the political musings in the Drudions read like juvenilia when taken out of the context of the moment and the context of a what is essentially a community of rock music fans. Although in the past I have bitten a few times on the bait of some more outlandish statements, these days I wouldn't rush to draw any conclusions from any of it ever. For my part I disagree with at least half of what Merrick has to say about the world and the human condition but this is still a very interesting place to visit because of what it says about the political aspect of outsider rock n roll. If the debates had even the slightest hint of being directed by a Cope / Merrick orthodoxy I would stay in the Public Bar with the rock n rollers. Were I not interested in Cope the songwriter and friends with some of you I probably wouldn't come here for the political wit and wisdom alone. What makes it interesting is the outsider context. Activism and rock n roll have been fellow travellers the last 50 years or so and both are susceptable to the vagaries of fashion, as so many products directed primarily at the young tend to be. And this is one of the few places where those two worlds unselfconsciously and intelligently collide.
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geoffrey_prime 701 posts |
Sep 03, 2010, 02:33
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I know I am not keeping to my word, but at least it shows I am interested! I am trying to fade away gracefully...but some of these posts cannot get away without comment. So I may post...but become more feeble as my energy drains away... The attached say's it all...and I think, honestly, we know it..this board is biased...and biased one way. Fact. I cant put the links up...but I recall numerous comments to new HH initiates in the past ...along the lines of..welcome to the board..open for all views..stimulating political debate..etc etc and its clearly rubbish. Why not be more open..and say this board sets out to worship, continuously reinforce and promote Julians political views. Be honest and "up front"
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Deepinder Cheema 1460 posts |
Sep 03, 2010, 06:00
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Cope can be a real prat at times. There are plenty of Archaeologists that have no time for him, and dismiss him as a publishing darling. But that does not mean there are people who don't worship him who kick about here.
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