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Vybik Jon 6795 posts |
Edited Aug 20, 2010, 16:00
Aug 20, 2010, 15:57
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First of all, I will accept any criticism of taking something out of context even though I'm not sure the accusatuion would apply here. In the 'do you smoke cannabis?' thread you made the comment, "...I seem to be paying the price for voicing a concern that goes againt the ethos of the site" What do you see the ethos of this site being? If it's restricted to U-Know!, the opening page says: "U-KNOW! is the place for practical idealists, here to inform and inspire. A place for all you big dreamers, radical believers and humane revolutionaries to arm and affirm your righteous heart in the quest to overthrow power worship and the dollar culture." The Head to Head page says of the U-Know! forum: "Politics, righteous talk & direct action" If your comment encompasses the entite Head Heritage site, I think it's more of a challenge to define it and possibly more difficult to apply an encompassing ethos..
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pooley 501 posts |
Aug 20, 2010, 16:12
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Vybik Jon wrote: First of all, I will accept any criticism of taking something out of context even though I'm not sure the accusatuion would apply here. In the 'do you smoke cannabis?' thread you made the comment, "...I seem to be paying the price for voicing a concern that goes againt the ethos of the site" What do you see the ethos of this site being? If it's restricted to U-Know!, the opening page says: "U-KNOW! is the place for practical idealists, here to inform and inspire. A place for all you big dreamers, radical believers and humane revolutionaries to arm and affirm your righteous heart in the quest to overthrow power worship and the dollar culture." The Head to Head page says of the U-Know! forum: "Politics, righteous talk & direct action" If your comment encompasses the entite Head Heritage site, I think it's more of a challenge to define it and possibly more difficult to apply an encompassing ethos.. No, you are quite right to challenge me on it. It was a glib remark, probably due to the way I thought Prime was treated in his final days. It was purely aimed at the UKnow forum. As for the ethos of the entire site? I am here because, since the 80's, I have bought and mainly liked copeys music. His newer stuff leaves me a bit cold, I admit, but there is enough of a spark there to keep me interested. The ethos of this site should be a meeting place for copey followers, regardless of politics etc.
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Suitcase of Courage 76 posts |
Aug 20, 2010, 16:24
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hairy muff (fair enough)
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Moon Cat 7264 posts |
Edited Aug 20, 2010, 16:32
Aug 20, 2010, 16:30
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pooley wrote: The ethos of this site should be a meeting place for copey followers, regardless of politics etc. It is surely? The Pump and Un-Sung are mostly apolitical, although given the nature of the man and his mission, it's only logical to assume politics will intrude on some level But, given the nature of Cope and his view-points it's not unreasonable that people of a left of centre nature (at the least!!) gravitate towards him and his music and so it's also not unreasonable to expect that on, what is ostensibly, a Julian Cope fan site, there's going to be a majority of view points from that side of the fence. Or, to put it another way, I wouldn't go on what I KNEW to be a right-wing site, start banging on about the virtues of, say, Marxism, without expecting to be disagreed with at least and possibly vilified too. One thing I wouldn't do is do go on such a site and then bleat on about how 'unfair' and unbalanced it all is, how I shouldn't be accused of being a 'troll;, when I know FULL well which way the majority view point is likely to go. Thing is, Geoffrey_Prime clearly took delight in adopting a tactic as described above and then bemoaning the lack of 'balance'. Well, arachnophobes don't go in Insect Houses and then start complainng that there's bugs in there do they? Unless of course, their purpose is to draw attention to themselves and ultimately, to seek conflict.
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grufty jim 1770 posts |
Edited Aug 20, 2010, 16:42
Aug 20, 2010, 16:41
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pooley wrote: The ethos of this site should be a meeting place for copey followers, regardless of politics etc. While that's true of the Village Pump and Unsung, it's just a fact that U-Know! has a specific political slant and ethos that is based around Julian's political views rather than his music. Just as The Modern Antiquarian forum is pretty much designed for people who are interested in standing stones and other sacred sites. If you head over there and continually post about how shit you think neolithic sites are and how they should all be bulldozed, then chances are you'll get a hostile response even if you own every record the man has released. It's kind of the same here. Personally I welcome alternative viewpoints such as yours, pooley, so long as they aren't accompanied by anti-social behaviour (which is the problem I had with g_p... not his views but the constant stream of sarcastic personal comments). But at the same time, it's important to be aware that there's no "hidden" agenda here... it's stated up front that this is a place that seeks to challenge mainstream political opinion.
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handofdave 3426 posts |
Aug 20, 2010, 16:54
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This brings up a dilemma I'm having, which is that I feel compelled to wrestle with the right wing on this or that forum, and tho I rationalize (what ends up being a colossal waste of time) as being a duty to counter them, at the end of the day I feel like I'm just being dragged down into their petty little spider hole. The problem is that the forums are open ones, not ideology-specific... and they tend to be swarmed with trolls perpetuating the hate and rumors that it's been proven are accepted as fact by 10 to 20 percent of the US public. Should I feel like it's my personal duty to stick it out on these forums, or should I get far away from them? I fear it's become a self-winding anger thing and that price isn't worth the small amount of good, if at all, that I do. (I already know the answer to this question, BTW, I'm just being rhetorical.... I don't wanna spend my remaining years being an internet chat addict....)
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Moon Cat 7264 posts |
Aug 20, 2010, 17:02
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Prob is that, as has been discussed a myriad times, when there's been a bit of a scrap here, it's so hard to invest a debate that you're typing on a screen with any nuances of mood and shades of humour without actually speaking to the person you're 'talking' to. So things get lost, blown up, missed, overexaggerated ya da ya da. However, I think it's completely reasonable for anyone, from whatever view point, to ask for simple clarification on a point without getting into a ruck. Of course, that can depend how that is asked for in the first place! My own personal viewpoint is that, if you know some forum to be rabidly set in one direction, then you're tilting at windmills and bringing up your blood pressure for little gain and you've probably got better things to do all told. Despite Geoffrey_Prime's 'tude and Pooley's misgivings, I still think, on the whole you get a better level of debate AND courtesy as a rule here than you do on other places. But, of course, I'm biased 8^)
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sanshee 633 posts |
Edited Aug 20, 2010, 17:24
Aug 20, 2010, 17:22
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Didn't they used to call the interent 'the information super highway'? Well, good one that got dropped! Thing is, when you read someone's comments, in the absence of the whites of their eyes, all you have to define them is what's written on the screen. And yes, without the benefit of intonation, the tendency is perhaps to interperate their words as something of an 'agenda 'you are then bound to react against. You do get a general feel of who's posting with past experience of their posts, but all that can be farted right out the window in a flash, coz of said lack of actual 'contact' and staring at one thing they've written you may not agree with. Then later on you'll agree with them again, and forget what you ever didn't like about them in the first place, and so on and so forth. Sumfink like that. x
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Moon Cat 7264 posts |
Aug 20, 2010, 17:28
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Indeed x ps God you must HATE ME! WAAAAAHHHHH!!! ;^)
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sanshee 633 posts |
Aug 20, 2010, 17:29
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I did, now I don't. ;-) x
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