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Merrick 2148 posts |
Jul 27, 2010, 11:14
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46 down! Covering it live: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/index.html
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pooley 501 posts |
Jul 27, 2010, 14:41
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Merrick wrote: This is brilliant. No one hurt, minimum damage, a valid target hit where it hurts - in the pocket.
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Merrick 2148 posts |
Jul 28, 2010, 20:56
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pooley wrote: hit where it hurts - in the pocket. and where it hurts almost as badly - in the public mind. The destructive companies only continue because we give them 'social license'. The more we associate their brand with their damage, the more likely they are to change. For some brands, such as Coca Cola, these 'intangibles' actually count as a serious proportion of their company value.
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jshell 264 posts |
Edited Jul 30, 2010, 13:06
Jul 30, 2010, 13:05
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Merrick wrote: Good for them! Shutting down 'Franchised' stations that are not owned by BP, probably get petrol from the refineries that Shell, Texaco, Tesco use and causing problems for the people just trying to make a living. That'll teach BP! I see from the comments on the Greenpeace website...oh, now edited, that many are not happy about this! Fuckwits. Comments: Closing 50 stations in London did not dent BP's revenues at all. All it did was hurt the poor bloke who owns the station from making a decent wage. These stations are not owned by BP but rather branded BP under a franchise agreement... by SafariDude at 12:10 PM Hmmmm Removing safety switches how clever ......... Sarcasm incase you missed it...... Seriously though stupid stunts like this only provide yourselfs with bad publicity regards the majority of public opinion towards greenpeace itself...Your far from having a major effect on BP by doing what you did today the main thing you would of achieved today is annoying everyday motorists... by PMSL at 12:03 PM This action is a waste of time. This affects innocent people who just want to get to work and people who work at the garages trying to earn a living just to feed their families. Stopping 20 garages from working is going to do absolutely nothing to change the way BP do things. Plus you removed safety switches, which is the most stupid thing i've ever heard of anyone do. They're there for a reason - to keep people safe, not to rip out because of your views. Besides, what else will they come up with? You expect them to instantly change everything to eco friendly stuff like magic? Not going to happen. Plus GP are hypocrites, they have a big office somewhere that probably uses up hell of a lot of electricity supplied by coal power stations, drive around in cars and such that use up DIESEL AND PETROL, and protest against windfarms etc if the council want to put them up. Just stop what you're doing GP and get yourselves proper jobs instead of making peoples lives a misery. by Somebody at 7/27/2010 10:31:58 AM11:31 AM As a member of greenpeace i feel i must make a comment on the latest protest,you had it wrong you penalised the the very people we need on our side,by causing them problems when they are only going to work to earn a crust and support their families. by paul relph at 7/27/2010 10:31:47 AM11:31 AM Well today truly has been a day of awareness, awareness that the £30 a month donation I give (cancelled this morning) to the Greenpeace Corporation is being used to fund an irrelevant and badly thought out publicity stunt in order to raise more donations. Greenpeace is a business with its one aim of generating revenue on the back of people’s conscience. They have done some great work in the past but today’s stunt has cemented in my mind how Greenpeace has changed from raising awareness to raising cash. The only people affected in this are the individual business owners of the forecourts already struggling to make a profit in a recession and the motorists who are already painfully aware of our problem of dependency on oil. by Mug Donator at 7/27/2010 10:31:15 AM11:31 AM
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PMM 2941 posts |
Edited Jul 30, 2010, 14:14
Jul 30, 2010, 13:25
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No surprise there then. A lot of big organisations do things on a franchise basis. Petrol stations, fast food outlets, driving schools, etc. Are you saying that, for example, if McDonalds refuses to recognise trades unions, that it's never valid to take protests to individual restaurants, because of this system? Or are you saying that any form of protest at all is wrong and futile?
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jshell 264 posts |
Jul 30, 2010, 15:05
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PMM wrote: No surprise there then. A lot of big organisations do things on a franchise basis. Petrol stations, fast food outlets, driving schools, etc. Are you saying that, for example, if McDonalds refuses to recognise trades unions, that it's never valid to take protests to individual restaurants, because of this system? Or are you saying that any form of protest at all is wrong and futile? No, but it should be targetted wisely, rather than just piss everyone off who can see it for what it is. Greepeace have caused themselves a lot of damage with some of those stunts and probably prevent new supporters or members from joining. Own goal then! Drilling for oil has nothing to do with petrol supplies, petrol is an unwanted by-product. Oil companies would burn it off if they were allowed as they make a couple of pence per litre and it's not worth it. The money is in the other 'ends' of crude oil. Petrol stations have shops attached as they can't make money from petrol either, they get 1.5 - 2p per litre profit.... If they want to protest, go picket the refineries!
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PMM 2941 posts |
Jul 30, 2010, 15:43
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But there seems to be this idea that you're putting forward that if a protest causes any kind of inconvenience, then it's ultimately counter-productive. I have to disagree with that. Can you imagine if any of the radical movements of the past, such as the suffragettes or the nascent trades union movement had limited themselves only to actions that didn't affect anybody or anything?
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jshell 264 posts |
Jul 30, 2010, 16:07
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It's about the target though, imho. If a Union stops production or movement then they have directly affected the business. If someone shuts down 20 petrol stations, they just show themselves to be directionless dickheads - as the majority of the population thinks. All they did was shutdown some pumps - the platforms, refineries & drilling rigs just keep on going. It's a far, far cry from the noble suffragettes seeking equal rights for women, or the Unions seeking a fair deal for workers...
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PMM 2941 posts |
Jul 30, 2010, 16:40
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Good to see you've got your finger on the pulse there. Since you know what the majority of the people in this country think, you'll no doubt be aware that when Greenpeace targets BP garages, most people will associate the action with BP, and not with Mr Sunil Kumar, struggling garage owner.
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geoffrey_prime 701 posts |
Jul 31, 2010, 02:51
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I just await the Sage's view...Merrick? before I make a comment..
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