Sure thing Geoffers, but let's do that in real time when we are both available. This will truely test your depth of knowledge without you scampering off on google to gleen your 'facts'. When I return from the vinyards of sw France (how cute, a socialist who likes wine!) we'll give that a go. To be going on with though, where is your relief strongest? Where do you feel most 'relief' needs to be focused?