nigelswift
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Re: House of Commons Committee advises end to NHS funding of homeopathy
Feb 24, 2010, 16:08
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IMO what you see "happening on the ground" is of no interest in resolving the issue. Double blind tests are what matter (and not cherry picked ones either). You can have your beliefs but you really shouldn't try to convince others on the same basis as you are prepared to believe.
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pooley
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Re: House of Commons Committee advises end to NHS funding of homeopathy
Feb 24, 2010, 16:15
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nigelswift wrote: IMO what you see "happening on the ground" is of no interest in resolving the issue. Double blind tests are what matter (and not cherry picked ones either). You can have your beliefs but you really shouldn't try to convince others on the same basis as you are prepared to believe.
also agreed.
I heard a Homeopath on Radio 4 defending this the other night, and the more she went on, the more it became apparent that she didn't give a flying fuck if it worked or not - was just defending her job!
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nigelswift
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Re: House of Commons Committee advises end to NHS funding of homeopathy
Feb 24, 2010, 16:30
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Not that they're defending their jobs but their egos, dowsers, including medical ones are much the same. Zero decent scientific evidence but their own perception is enough, and mustn't be knocked. Annoying people. How'd you like the NHS to pay £4 million a year for someone to find tumors with a pendulum? I wouldn't. Very sincere people that absolutely know it works mind you and say the contrary studies are fiddled or mistaken...
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Squid Tempest
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Re: House of Commons Committee advises end to NHS funding of homeopathy
Feb 24, 2010, 16:49
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Blimey! Merrick agrees with the government?? Shock! Horror!
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pooley
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Re: House of Commons Committee advises end to NHS funding of homeopathy
Feb 24, 2010, 17:03
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Squid Tempest wrote: Blimey! Merrick agrees with the government?? Shock! Horror!
he is a plant - secretly working for gordon
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Squid Tempest
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Re: House of Commons Committee advises end to NHS funding of homeopathy
Feb 24, 2010, 17:12
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pooley wrote: Squid Tempest wrote: Blimey! Merrick agrees with the government?? Shock! Horror!
he is a plant - secretly working for gordon
Perhaps he was bullied into it.
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pooley
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Re: House of Commons Committee advises end to NHS funding of homeopathy
Feb 24, 2010, 18:00
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Squid Tempest wrote: pooley wrote: Squid Tempest wrote: Blimey! Merrick agrees with the government?? Shock! Horror!
he is a plant - secretly working for gordon
Perhaps he was bullied into it.
HA!
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tingltangl
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Re: House of Commons Committee advises end to NHS funding of homeopathy
Feb 24, 2010, 19:54
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What i see on the ground has everything to do with resolving the issue, because what I see there contradicts everything thats spouted about homeopathy being no better than a placebo.
There are certain aspects of homeopathic treatment that may be worth bringing up here. It is not uncommon for patients to experience a significant but temporary intensification of their symptoms after taking a remedy. This is in my experience always rapidly followed by a significant improvement. I observe this consistently in my own practice. None of the research I have seen on the placebo effect suggests that this is part of a placebo response.
So let me get this right. Homeopaths and their supporters all have "confirmation bias" and cherry pick the data. Skeptics of homeopathy are totally rational and objective and immune to personal bias? Please refer back to my criticism of the Shang study.
I don`t blindly "believe" in Homeopathy, i observe the effects of applying its principles, and form my opinions from that.
So i shouldn`t try to convince others of my beliefs? Actually i generally dont. I don`t advertise my services or do any form of homeopathy promotion. The vast majority of my clients come through word of mouth, or they`ve seen the results of what i do in their friends and relatives. I believe this is the most honest and sustainable way of building a practice.
I do respect your opinions and i`m sure that if my life experiences had been different i would feel the way you do (and thank you Pooley for your gentlemanly response to my last post!). However prolonged direct experience of homeopathy both as a patient and as a practitioner has made it difficult for me to hold on to my initial scepticism.
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nigelswift
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Re: House of Commons Committee advises end to NHS funding of homeopathy
Feb 24, 2010, 20:35
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Skeptics of homeopathy are totally rational and objective and immune to personal bias?
Well yes, I am I hope.
How about you?
It comes down to this in the end, doesn't it: it's pretty unreasonable to ask the taxpayer to stump up finance on the basis of what practitioners say unless there have been a host of independent scientific tests showing the thing works. Anything else is asking too much.
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tingltangl
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Re: House of Commons Committee advises end to NHS funding of homeopathy
Feb 24, 2010, 20:45
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Gonna let you have this last word on this one Nigel as i fear this could go on and on and on(and on)! Thanks for engaging, enjoyed myself. However a life beckons..........
GOOD HEALTH EVERYONE!;-)
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