Eduardo
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Nick Griffin's "Aborigine" comment
Oct 27, 2009, 13:52
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Interesting article that considers Nick's views on genetics, and the origins of UK's population:
http://timesonline.typepad.com/science/2009/10/nick-griffins-bad-science.html?bcsi_scan_EEC049581022EE5A=vI56KTyt4B0mLU/2Q0PftePUti4bAAAAL+zCHQ==&bcsi_scan_filename=nick-griffins-bad-science.html
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Jim Tones
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Re: Nick Griffin's
Oct 27, 2009, 14:23
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Eduardo wrote:
Very interesting article that, thanks for posting it up.
"The very first ones, the genetic evidence suggests, came here from an ancestral home in northern Spain or the Basque country."
The Basques, what a canny bunch.
Their language isn't connected to any other, they have the highest ratio of the rhesus-negative blood group and they've done loads of things(!)
I got a great book a few years back- 'The Basque History of The World' and it's a fascinating read.
Should anyone be interested- see here
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Toni Torino
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Edited Oct 27, 2009, 14:28
Re: Nick Griffin's
Oct 27, 2009, 14:28
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Cheers, Eduardo!
""Could his research be used, I asked, to identify a true "indigenous Briton", as Mr Griffin's comments implied?
"Of course you can’t. The purpose of looking at mitochondrial DNA and the Y chromosome in this way is not to identify the race of a person. They are just markers representing a tiny fraction of our genome. They do not tell you what someone’s like. And pale European skin colour is largely the result of just one mutation, which protects them from getting rickets as infants. He’s using this information to bolster his political views, but genetics can’t do that.""
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Rickets! How noble and romantic
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Stevo
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Re: Mark kurlansky
Oct 27, 2009, 14:55
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Jim Tones wrote:
I got a great book a few years back- 'The Basque History of The World' and it's a fascinating read.
Should anyone be interested- see here
Think i've read most of his books, certainly those I'm aware of and they've all been interesting. I think the Cod Book has cod fishermen providing Columbus with maps of the route to the New world. which they'd known about for years earlier because it was on the cod migration route.
Salt was good, as was 1968.
not sure if there are others I haven't read yet. But he likes to show how seemingly incidental things directed the course of history.
stevo
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Daminxa
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Re: Nick Griffin's
Oct 27, 2009, 15:03
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Quite so. I studied a small amount of evolution as part of my degree and my understanding of the 'latest' thinking (mind you this was about 20 years ago so it could've changed since...) was that all us humans originated in Africa some two million years ago and that over the following hundreds of thousands of years we migrated all over the world. Like any other species, over time we adapted to our environment; people with dark skins didn't fare too well in the cold climate of Northern Europe etc (such as it was, we'd hardly recognise a map of the world as it was then). They couldn't absorb enough vitamin D and became ill, so via evolution, they gradually adapted as having lighter skins. This means that white people could be viewed as 'genetic mutants' so I'm surprised Nick Griffin isn't after eradicating us!
In more recent history, the British Isles have obviously been invaded time again from Scandinavia and central Europe and all other places besides so I genuinely doubt that ANYONE could claim to be a 'British aborigonal'. By Griffin's theory, even the Celts can't be British, surely, as they invaded thousands of years ago (from central Europe if memory serves but don't quote me on that...)
It's just such stupidity to classify people by their 'race' because in many cases it's a meaningless concept. I know both my parents were born in England but further back I have no idea; it's rumoured there's Polish, Irish and Russian blood in the family so presumably I should be sent back to one of those countries! It's idiotic 'policies' like that which confirm NG to be the ignorant simpleton that he is!
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Jim Tones
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Re: Mark kurlansky
Oct 27, 2009, 15:55
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Stevo wrote: Jim Tones wrote:
I got a great book a few years back- 'The Basque History of The World' and it's a fascinating read.
Should anyone be interested- see here
Think i've read most of his books, certainly those I'm aware of and they've all been interesting. I think the Cod Book has cod fishermen providing Columbus with maps of the route to the New world. which they'd known about for years earlier because it was on the cod migration route.
Salt was good, as was 1968.
not sure if there are others I haven't read yet. But he likes to show how seemingly incidental things directed the course of history.
stevo
I was wondering about getting some other books by him (looks like I've been 'wondering' far too long!)
The Cod Book is even advertised on the front of BHW, may have to dip in for sure this time.
Thanks for the info Stevo
;-)
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handofdave
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Re: Nick Griffin's
Oct 27, 2009, 16:30
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Extending his argument about 'aboriginals' being the only 'true' inhabitants of a place, the logical conclusion would be that all people of Anglo descent in the Americas and Australia would have to pack up and head home to the UK.
I doubt very much that's what he has in mind.
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bladup
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Re: Nick Griffin's
Oct 27, 2009, 16:57
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I didn't think cornwall and devon were covered with ice in the last ice age, i thought it only got as far as somerset, thats why the tors are so complete in devon and cornwall.
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stray
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Edited Oct 27, 2009, 17:07
Re: Nick Griffin's
Oct 27, 2009, 17:01
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Heh, but a sizeable number of our middle class have buggered off to the ancestral home of Brittany, and northern Spain.
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Jim Tones
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Edited Oct 27, 2009, 17:16
Re: Nick Griffin's
Oct 27, 2009, 17:13
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stray wrote: Heh, but a sizeable number of our middle class have buggered off to the ancestral home of Brittany, and northern Spain.
....and others from this isle have gone too.....
Heh! heh!
Oooooh...... Home from home =8-[ ]
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