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dodge one 1242 posts |
Sep 22, 2009, 22:29
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Quite a story here. Article details that 28,000 attempts at illegal passage to Britain from Calais were thwarted just last year alone. Primarily Afghani's. How's Britain dealing with this? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32962851/ns/world_news-europe/
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grufty jim 1770 posts |
Edited Sep 23, 2009, 16:44
Sep 23, 2009, 16:44
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dodge one wrote: Quite a story here. Article details that 28,000 attempts at illegal passage to Britain from Calais were thwarted just last year alone. Primarily Afghani's. How's Britain dealing with this? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32962851/ns/world_news-europe/ How's Britain dealing with this? Bombing their home country and voting for the BNP. (or is that too cynical of me?)
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dodge one 1242 posts |
Sep 23, 2009, 17:01
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Here was me thinking that i could gain some in-site into how other countries are managing with illegal immigration influxes, An issue of some concern to me. These are some key issues on the ballot for us in the U.S. too. As far as turning my query into a tangent that diverts into War and Political affiliations.....would those issues not merit a seperate thread? Or are you more interested in opinions regarding whether or not you are cynical? Again.....that would merit it's own thread. Regards.
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grufty jim 1770 posts |
Sep 23, 2009, 17:04
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dodge one wrote: Here was me thinking that i could gain some in-site into how other countries are managing with illegal immigration influxes, An issue of some concern to me. These are some key issues on the ballot for us in the U.S. too. As far as turning my query into a tangent that diverts into War and Political affiliations.....would those issues not merit a seperate thread? Or are you more interested in opinions regarding whether or not you are cynical? Again.....that would merit it's own thread. Regards. It was an attempt at dark humour. Sorry you didn't get it. I wasn't trying to divert the thread.
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grufty jim 1770 posts |
Edited Sep 23, 2009, 17:25
Sep 23, 2009, 17:23
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grufty jim wrote: dodge one wrote: Here was me thinking that i could gain some in-site into how other countries are managing with illegal immigration influxes, An issue of some concern to me. These are some key issues on the ballot for us in the U.S. too. As far as turning my query into a tangent that diverts into War and Political affiliations.....would those issues not merit a seperate thread? Or are you more interested in opinions regarding whether or not you are cynical? Again.....that would merit it's own thread. Regards. It was an attempt at dark humour. Sorry you didn't get it. I wasn't trying to divert the thread. Having said that, there was a grain of truth in my original point (which I'd hoped would be the source of the humour). The camp that was recently cleared in France was occupied almost exclusively by Afghans -- refugees from a war being fought by Britain (amongst other nations). It is conceivable that a Western policy that didn't involve bombing their homes might reduce the number of people seeking to flee to places that aren't being bombed. So in this specific case, the war in Afghanistan is not entirely irrelevant. Indeed the obvious way to prevent this kind of migration would be to ensure that people don't need to flee their homes. If the same amount of money had been spent on purely humanitarian intervention in Afghanistan (rather than military plus a little bit of humanitarian) then I would argue that there would be far less Afghans in Northern France attempting to cross into the UK. Secondly, the BNP remark also held a grain or truth and was not entirely flippant. The British population is being urged by a fear-mongering media (along with pretty much every political party to one degree or another... just witness the previous Conservative election campaign, and the immigration legislation introduced by New Labour) to be less tolerant of immigrants. This in turn has seen a rise in the far-right, overtly anti-immigrant parties. So if you're seeking insight into how Britain is dealing with illegal immigration, then that last point is quite valid. Sections of the society are dealing with it by becoming more xenophobic. That's to be expected, sadly. But obviously there are other voices too. My own views on immigration are influenced heavily by two points. The first is the fact that I spent the vast majority of my life as an immigrant (I'm Irish but have only spent about a third of my life here). The second is the notion of sustainability and carrying capacity. There is a conflict there, as my natural empathy for the immigrant's fate is offset slightly by a belief that Western societies should be seeking to reduce both their levels of consumption and their populations (given the per capita consumption levels we indulge in). From the perspective of global sustainability, shifting people from areas of low per capita consumption to high per capita consumption presents difficulties. The aim should be to radically reduce consumption of resources in the 'developed world', slightly raise it elsewhere where it is below the breadline, and stop bombing people's homes. That would be my "solution to the problem of illegal immigration". But you asked how Britain is currently responding to illegal immigration. To which I can't help but respond: "Bombing their home country and voting for the BNP".
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dodge one 1242 posts |
Sep 23, 2009, 18:04
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So....when i write my State representatives, Congressman, and the President, I can say this is what Grufty Jim thinks should be done, Rather than this is how other nations are enacting legislation to try and deal with illegal immigration. Yeah sure.....but i am also sure that my letters postulating such, will go completely unanswered. Perhaps i was not specific enough in my original post. I'm after specific comparative analysis or current pending legislation that the E.U. {in particular} is considering. Especially on the local level. Given that....i'll be glad to tack your thoughts on to the bottom of my letters of concern. Also please review your post. I never used the word "PROBLEM" in quotes. Regards.
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PMM 2941 posts |
Edited Sep 23, 2009, 18:46
Sep 23, 2009, 18:42
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What? You posted this so that you could be made aware of UK/EU legislation concerning immigration law so that you could then pass on that law to your congressman? Well here's some things to get you started. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/ukpga_20020041_en_1 http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/policyandlaw/immigrationlaw/ For more information and further links, try here: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=EU+immigration+legislation&btnG=Search&meta=
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dodge one 1242 posts |
Sep 23, 2009, 19:06
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You've gone and edited your post to appear less antagonistic....shame. But....the links you have posted are of interest. Whether or not our individual politicians in the U.S. can or can-not use the internet is beyond my reckoning. But as a constituant, i can offer my own take on comparative policy making. Here in the U.S. the politicians work for ME. Last i checked. And something that every politician in the U.S. best not forget under peril of being voted out.
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PMM 2941 posts |
Sep 23, 2009, 19:21
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dodge one wrote: You've gone and edited your post to appear less antagonistic....shame. Why a shame?
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grufty jim 1770 posts |
Edited Sep 24, 2009, 02:18
Sep 24, 2009, 02:17
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dodge one wrote: So....when i write my State representatives, Congressman, and the President, I can say this is what Grufty Jim thinks should be done, Rather than this is how other nations are enacting legislation to try and deal with illegal immigration. Yeah sure.....but i am also sure that my letters postulating such, will go completely unanswered. Perhaps i was not specific enough in my original post. I'm after specific comparative analysis or current pending legislation that the E.U. {in particular} is considering. Especially on the local level. Given that....i'll be glad to tack your thoughts on to the bottom of my letters of concern. Also please review your post. I never used the word "PROBLEM" in quotes. Regards. Last point first, I never meant to say you did. Looking back at it though, I can see how it came across like that. Sorry about that. I was putting the phrase "problem of illegal immigration" in scare quotes. Just like I do with "developed world" and the like. It's a way of questioning some of the basic assumptions that frame the issue. Nothing was implied. As for the rest of your post, I think we may be at crossed-purposes here. This messageboard often throws up fascinating and useful nuggets of information, but by-and-large I see it as a debating forum. A place where issues can be discussed and opinions shared. And that's what I was doing. The fact that your congressman may not be interested in my opinion is really neither here nor there. I was giving a perspective on the clearance of the camp in France to my fellow forum members. I never intended it to be research for a presentation to your congressman (with the scarcity of research grants here in Ireland at the moment though, if you fancy stumping up some cash I'll gladly compile some data and provide a comparative analysis of EU Vs. US immigration legislation :-). As PMM illustrated with the links he posted though, if it's hard data about pending EU legislation you're after, then the various EU government websites, news organisations and google are all better places to start than U-Know! By all means post the question here, but don't be surprised (and sarcastic) when some of the responses involve discussion of the wider issues... the hint is in the name... "discussion forum".
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