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morfe 2992 posts |
Jun 30, 2000, 14:06
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Merrick wrote a fabulous piece on UK Anarchy, posted on U-Know articles. I would like to echo his thoughts on this fact: Capitalism is charismatic to it's subscribers, so much so that it's popularity only grows when an opposing group, such as an Anti- Bypass campaign, or the RTS movement, is condemned. And lets face it, a very large chunk of the voting world in the west, the big bad west, will swallow much of what they read in the self-serving tabloids they buy on the way to work. Truth is, 'image' is still very much a key part of peoples lives, probably more now than ever before. The sofa and TV culture are largely ignorant of their 'capitalist fodder' status, and 'image' is so important to people, that often any group, even 'Greenpeace', who oppose contemporary capitalist ideas are seen as a fly in the soup. The (can't stand the label) 'Environmentalist' is still seen as an Anarchist or even worse a 'work-shy hippy idealist', and while this might not be a problem for the righteous and thoughtful person like you or me, to the other voters and shoppers, (the real power is in their hands) the whole thing still smells fishy. What can be done?
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fitzcoraldo 2699 posts |
Jul 01, 2000, 00:53
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Questions questions Isms and schisms ? who is the average person ? Is capitalism not responsible for this beautiful place and our ability to communicate upon it (the site....see next query) ? Are we all not globalising and blowing Bill Gates by just being here? Cynical ?..... I know....... but its late, (third millenium already). did our ancestors consume avidly ? Fitz the bastard
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morfe 2992 posts |
Jul 01, 2000, 01:16
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Aborigines communicate over hundreds of miles in 'Dreamtime', they werent 'greedy'. Tribes in Irian Jara are not 'greedy'. Are the Native American people of the last century characteristically grasping and avaricious. No! Yes it's wonderful to be able to communicate as we are, sucking Bills small one no doubt, but I am aware of a great duality in the so called rise of Mankind. There is still an 'us' and 'them'. We have poisoned the greatest living culture in VERY recent times by colonising the Americas, don't you feel that there is something ill at work here? Try reading 'The Education of Little Tree' by Forrest Carter (Little Tree). I dare you not to weep at our doings. Now I don't want to be down on everything, I just wanted to discuss where we are going, without being fatalistic or resigning to Nihilism. Life is such a gift, and we are selling it down the river to buy trinkets and baubles. Next...?
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morfe 2992 posts |
Jul 01, 2000, 02:25
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In order to understand our 'Democratic State', it helps to know some things that we were never told in school. We were minced through a machine in order to go to work for another machine. That is why western kids don't know that Great Grandaddy was wearing the hacked off genitals of a squaw on his hat as a trophy for claiming the his niche in a 'New and Better World'. That is why I as a British citizen was never told that we used to shoot Pakistanis from cannons, shredding their friends with their own bone shards. This is recent history, and we so comfortably cruise over an issue that is too plain shameful to face. From the 1927 Grand Council of American Indians: "The white people, who are trying to make us over into their image, they want us to be what they call "assimilated," bringing the Indians into the mainstream and destroying our own way of life and our own cultural patterns. They believe we should be contented like those whose concept of happiness is materialistic and greedy, which is very different from our way. We want freedom from the white man rather than to be intergrated. We don't want any part of the establishment, we want to be free to raise our children in our religion, in our ways, to be able to hunt and fish and live in peace. We don't want power, we don't want to be congressmen, or bankers....we want to be ourselves. We want to have our heritage, because we are the owners of this land and because we belong here. The white man says, there is freedom and justice for all. We have had "freedom and justice," and that is why we have been almost exterminated. We shall not forget this." Education is the only way forward, and I for one don't want to see any more innocent kids being groomed as consumers. If I can use my PC to spread this message, hooray for technology, if no-one listens it is just another wasted product.
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morfe 2992 posts |
Jul 01, 2000, 02:38
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One more then it's definitely bedtime, I hope this inspires rather than depresses, there IS away forward...Wintu Woman, 19th Century "When we Indians kill meat, we eat it all up. When we dig roots, we make little holes. When we build houses, we make little holes. When we burn grass for grasshoppers, we don't ruin things. We shake down acorns and pine nuts. We don't chop down the trees. We only use dead wood. But the white people plow up the ground, pull down the trees, kill everything. ... the White people pay no attention. ...How can the spirit of the earth like the White man? ... everywhere the White man has touched it, it is sore." From Black Hawk, Sauk: "How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."
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fitzcoraldo 2699 posts |
Jul 01, 2000, 21:24
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morfe and starry eyes, pardon my inane ramblings and thank you for the illumination. fitz
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Lord Lucan 2702 posts |
Jul 02, 2000, 15:30
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It pisses me off that Capitalism is seen by a sizeable majority of the now-global community (ie: humankind) as part of the natural order of things. How can such a man-made abstract construct be a universal law? Any life on any other planet is not going to have 'naturally' evolved a socio-economic-disaster-waiting-to- happen (what am I talking about: it's already happening) the way we have done. The sad truth is that no-one is prepared to SERIOUSLY consider alternatives, mainly because the people with the power to really change it all are sitting at the very top of the economic and/or political heap and are its most ardent subscribers. This is the reason why we have oil companies buying up alternative energy solutions so they can sit on them. Capitalism is the manifestation of a madness peculiar to the human race. Intelligent life elsewhere could never see the anachronistic system we are all living in and part of as the only possible way of organising themselves, and yet this is exactly what the people at the top are saying, with at best a resigned shrug of the shoulders. But hey, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, so I'll sod off now...thanks for your time in reading this and thanks to people like Julian who've provided spaces like this for us to air our views in public.
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morfe 2992 posts |
Jul 02, 2000, 16:45
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Yes, but how can we grow and spread? Like lichen over centuries, or is there a way that a new order of free-thinking Mothers can illuminate and nurture a feeling of the Great Goddess, and a vision of hope and plenty TODAY. It is the only way forward, yet at present, Capitalism is growing, not in a rabid way as it did in the cynical Eighties, but in a safe way, where every shopper feels comfortable, as long as they are consuming and not planting. Subscribers and visionaries, anyone?...
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morfe 2992 posts |
Jul 03, 2000, 17:06
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Sorry I'm not quite there! What happened once?!
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morfe 2992 posts |
Jul 03, 2000, 18:26
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I cannot see that Rome was 'undefeatable', we still live a Roman life. Patriarchal, greedy, fully converted. The Christians did a good job on us, we are still so in-se-cure! tI agree that time can heal and change, but it can cover up also. For that reason, Silbury-the reclining 'Mother Goddess', with her womb displayed, and a child on her knee, maybe the single greatest link we have to a peaceful time when Symbol ruled over Sign. Today we need signs to tell us what to do. In Neolithic Britain, the symbol could show the multifaceted aspect of a peoples beliefs and worship. So profound are they, that belief is not a good enough word. KNOWLEDGE is the way, that's where the Roman-thought dies, in order to be a Christian bedwetter, you need to BELIEVE, in order to be truly blessed, you need knowledge, and a monument such as Silbury was built to last by a people who had profound and beautiful KNOWLEDGE of the forces of life and creation. Churches shall crumble, yet the Mother Hills overlooking the spring of life shall look on. Let us preserve them with all our might, so that we can LEARN AGAIN! One road built through Silbury Hill could destroy a symbol of great significance. The Romans are still here, oh yes.
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