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goodfaerie 13 posts |
Jun 28, 2000, 12:03
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At the weekend myself & some friends went to the Rollright Stones for a mid Summers gathering. We had a wonderful time and were most impressed by the organisation and theatrics (esp. the Morris men:-) However, as it had been billed as a family event, we were not impressed by the rather colourful language used, during the ritual, by the self proclaimed "King Arthur Pendragon”(of the cotslwold order of "Druids"). Now please don't get me wrong, I am not whiter than white; I can & do swear with the best of them, but I will not do so infront of children. I also can't see any reason why it should be brought into a circle. Surley we should be setting expample?????? or do I still live in the victorian age? Am I wrong to feel embarrassed when assosciated with this kind of behaviour? Aren't we supposed to be trying to illustrate to our blinkered contempories that we are as "good" as the next person????? I hate to rant & bicker about my “family” but on this occasion I have to - SORRY! Love, & hugs Blessed be the good faerie )0( P.s Out of curiousity what give’s “Pendragon” the right to claim this title? And if he is Arthur then what the hell is he doing at a Pgan gathering? The jerk was a bloody Christian!!!!!!!!!
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fitzcoraldo 2699 posts |
Jun 28, 2000, 13:21
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jusy a query How dyou know Arthur was a christian ? Many folk claim Arthur for themselves but I suggest that we just don't know. Evidence points towards Arthur as being a dark age Che Guevara and I'm aware that he is supposed to have led his army at Badon carrying a christian cross but who knows ? The early christians were enthusiastic revisionists incorporating much of the existing lore and legend of the britons into their own histories. If anything, Arthur is a symbol of resistance and his legend may originate from pre christian times just like robin hood. Don't worry just be happy that we still carry Arthur in our hearts. love and life fitz
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goodfaerie 13 posts |
Jun 28, 2000, 14:03
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of course we don't know for sure, with a myth no one will ever know until concrete proof is found. But many versions of the stories I have read suggest he was. My heart tells me that is more likely. I think it is more questionable why someone feel sthe need to claim that they are him. Surley this guy should be happy being himself. I appologise if I have offended or upset anyone by my rash comment, but we have to ask these questions.
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Vox Phantom 104 posts |
Jun 28, 2000, 16:43
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Slightly off topic, but... here's a couple of interesting links about the purported "historical" Arthur. It's very compelling evidence! (For what it's worth) http://www.webworld.co.uk/mall/arthur/home.htm http://freespace.virgin.net/david.ford2/camelon.html ...and I certainly don't understand the point of a vulgar "Arthur portrayer" at the stones, on any level, really. If this "historical" Arthur is to be believed, then he was indeed Christian. However, it seems that even the Arthur myth is dependent on Christian themes (the grail?) so, I am truly lost with regard to "Arthur the Druid."
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morfe 2992 posts |
Jun 28, 2000, 16:45
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Heywood said in 1607: 'If you swear you will catch no fish.' It may well be true, we are inclined to trust a prolific cusser less than the genteel. Truth is, in contemporary culture, swearing is used for many reasons other than blowing off steam. Working with children, whether in the clasroom, at home or at a social gathering, I believe some respect is due to them. Mr Pendragon is a performer, and likewise feels he must cut his gib in a riebald manner befitting his vision of himself as an Oliver Reed of the dark ages. I agree with you, I'm certainly pretty unshockable, but I know what's not big and clever, and I know what helps our cause. Its just not that. Why don'y you write to the guy involved and say what you've said here. Give him the opportunity to explain at least? Bee Blessed
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susan 21 posts |
Jun 28, 2000, 17:47
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goodfaerie, I'm with you on this one. I really appreciated Julian using MoFo instead of motherfucker (something the Detroit scene never did - they would ALWAYS use motherfucker). Mind, the programme did go out at 7.00pm, so he couldn't have said it even if he'd wanted to. But the point is, swearing is fine, and even fine in front of your own children if that's your own decision. But it obviously isn't okay for a lot of parents, and at a public rite that is supposed to be family friendly, that really should be respected. Re. Arthur - he's done a lot of good stuff (was at Newbury), and has devoted this life (!) to fighting noble causes. So, perhaps he's making up for that past life when he, supposedly, allowed Pagan Britain to slip into the mists.
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fitzcoraldo 2699 posts |
Jun 28, 2000, 19:07
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Is the grail myth not just a christianised version of Bran (I think) and his life giving cup. I'll go away and read and get back to you on that on, could be new topic time. I enjoy a good curse but I sympathise with you goodfaerie, a line must be drawn and an example set love and life. Fitz.
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fitzcoraldo 2699 posts |
Jun 28, 2000, 23:12
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For information only, Lewis Spence links Arthur with Osiris. I'll say no more than, check out his book "The mysteries of Britain" which is truly excellent. 'pologies for sidetracking, but thats what I do. Love and life . Kidneybingo Fitzcorald.
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