Annexus Quam
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Re: the magnificent seven
Jan 22, 2002, 13:33
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I meant soldier not shoulder
or did I?
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FourWinds
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Re: beards
Jan 22, 2002, 13:35
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Because they treat women like possessions should we do so?
Because they do not let women learn should we not allow it?
Because they seemingly have no humanity should we have none?
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FourWinds
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Re: Irish prisoners
Jan 22, 2002, 13:49
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Susanna Amberson, 19, of Los Angeles, said: "I saw Gandhi and it was the same story - the English firing on peaceful protesters. British history is not one to be proud of."
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Just as funny ....
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Joe Chip
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Daily Mirror
Jan 22, 2002, 15:05
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Anyone see the Daily Mirror over the past few days? It's really something to see such a low-brow paper come on like it was the guardian of the nation's conscience. Especially given its pension-robbing past.
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grufty jim
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Re: Afghan prisoners
Jan 22, 2002, 15:19
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Charlie,
Do you know for a fact that the individuals currently being held in Cuba by the Americans were personally involved in the events of September 11th? Does anyone? (other than themselves). They have not stood trial. No evidence has been presented to a court of law. So unless i'm very much mistaken, that means they are innocent of any crime (til proven otherwise).
From what i can gather - doubtlessly distorted beyond all reckoning by the media - these men were captured by "Northern Alliance" and/or "allied" troops during fighting in Afghanistan. i've yet to hear evidence of any of them being anything other than pro-Islamic / anti-American young men who felt a duty to defend Afghanistan from foreign attack (something that's been going on for the entire living memory of many of the people held in Cuba).
If any of these people had direct involvement with terrorism and the murder of thousands in New York, then the evidence should be presented in a fair court; the accused should have the ability to defend themself; and if found guilty they should face the consequences. Until that day, you have no sodding idea what any of those men - currently suffering alleged mistreatment - have done. What is it that makes you so quick to condemn individuals about whom you have no knowledge?
"Fuck um" you say?
Well, seems like you're in the majority. Nobody knows who the men in Cuba are. Nobody knows why they are there and what they may have done. Yet so many people want to exercise a little bit of retribution-by-proxy. "Fuck um!" Fuck who? "why those bearded rag-heads in Cuba wot bombed New York of course". Oh, i thought the men who bombed New York all died on the planes. "Well, yeah - but not the people who planned it". So those several hundred men in Cuba all sat round a big table and planned the hijacks in America? "Well, no, but some of them might have!"
Suddenly it becomes very clear - *some* of those people *may* have been involved in the terrorist acts so let's punish anyone who looks like them? There's an ugly word for that.
Maybe every one of the men in Cuba is an evil fanatic who would kill us all at the drop of a hat. Or maybe some of them are like that, and maybe some of them are just scared kids who got caught up in what they saw as a genuine struggle against the injust imperialism of the West and the denigration of their culture by Western exploitation. Scared kids who watched Afghanistan being ripped to pieces by the Soviets, then by civil war, and who then see US bombers in the sky, levelling Afghan villages because some rich Saudi terrorist attacked America and may be hiding in their country.
But "Fuck um" right? It's certainly a lot easier to do that, than to actually find out whether they are guilty of anything worth being flown to the opposite side of the world and kept in cages. Maybe they deserve what they are getting. Me? i'd prefer to actually *know* that before doing it. You seem willing to do that just because of their religion? Is that it? Personally i feel Islam is a dangerous belief-system that should be consigned to history. But hey, i feel the same about christianity too - do you want to lock all the christians in cages too Charlie?
By the way Charlie; you state that they "gave their human rights away on the 11th of Sept". Even despite the fact that we've no idea of whether any of them was actually involved in that; you can't "give away" human rights just by committing a crime - however heinous that crime. Or at least, that's not how it's supposed to work. However, that does seem to be the way the world is going... with plenty of support from yourself no doubt. "Terrorists don't have rights!" is how it starts (and there's all manner of ways in which you can define a terrorist... nice to know you're waiving the rights of any hunt-sabbers here Charlie; recent UK legislation has made it possible to define them as terrorists).
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cancer boy
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Re: Irish prisoners
Jan 22, 2002, 15:31
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She must be thinking of "Ghandi II: This time it's personal!"
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cHARLIE
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Re: beards
Jan 22, 2002, 15:34
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I see your poiNt DoOd !
2 WROnGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT N ALL That.....
....However This school of islamic fashism sickens me to the core along with every other restricting monotheistic religion!
This world is full OF shite tit wanK!
religioN Pah *
why can't we just live in peace e'h!?
Its down to Males and their little willies and there male gods of doom and death Satan rules this fecken planet !
EGG~SIsS~10cE.....is all I have left peace and luv is a day dream*~(
yer m8 yarLian*
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cancer boy
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Re: Hail to the Defenders of Civilization!
Jan 22, 2002, 15:34
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>Quoted in a paper - therefore FACT??
Well, it was a broadsheet rather than the Daily Sport. I take it this is as opposed to "opined by you - therefore FACT!!".
>Bollocks.
Enchanté!
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landells
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Would this thread exist...?
Jan 22, 2002, 15:48
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I wonder if there would by 200 Afghans at Guantanamo Bay if Bin Laden had been captured/annihilated
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cancer boy
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Re: beards
Jan 22, 2002, 15:48
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>Its down to Males and their little willies
Speak for yourself sonny
>and there male gods of doom and death Satan rules
>this fecken planet !
The Unsung group is the appropriate place for discussions about Sabbath :)
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