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Annexus Quam 856 posts |
Feb 24, 2001, 15:46
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thanks for the gm info, merrick, much appreciated - (also posted on the U-Know front section) - bless the protesters' cotton socks. so gm is being generally curbed in supermarkets, i mean, directly. good. is it no longer used in the uk at all? i fail to see to what extent it may still be in, say, choc bars or digestives...any details on precisely this point? now, we know that *indirectly* it still sucks so we'll see what happens but i only guess the wasteGMfuckers are up against their doom for good for trying to sneak in in typical GM fashion what is already here. They love waste as long as it can erase and reorganise things in the way they want so they can stick their filthy hands onto more and more households. ' 'GM technology will save world hunger' proclaim the wastefuckers. Who ever complains about the farmers in the third world whose land is being left to rot after Moncunto took over their countries in old colonial mode? Plus, CJD and the current meat crisis can only support what we have always believed in: -- fuck the ma and she will fuck you -- I recently posted some detailed info on which biscuits and brands, etc contained American GM in my workplace; i did this in secret but the next day I was very surprised to find a teacher posting the same thing at her classroom door (because... "students will only read it when they find it in front of their faces"). We had a conversation and i explained about GM food to her and how local respected producers had to give in to big companies from the other side of the ocean; she obviously didn't know about cattle being fed GM products. I told her how I phoned a couple of corn companies last year: after painstaking asking I realized that most of the folks working at, say, sweetcorn companies don't even know THEMSELVES where the stuff comes from! I was directed to their lab. They finally assured me they did not use GM corn in their products but that it is still used in animal feed, which is more or less the same as saying 'i don't eat meat but i eat meat pies'. How many more people out there are still in the dark? Soon only the Americans will be eating GMed filth. Shame on them for still living in the dark ages and EVEN HAVING plot-lithic-al candidates who still fight for XXth century industrialism, progress for the few and business primacy whilst plundering what's left of nature. As a famous encyclopaedia said in its definition of capitalism: 'system in which some countries get richer by keeping the others poor'. True, no shit. Unfortunately, I saw this 6 years ago so can no longer give names. I am of the conviction that, once the populace knows about 'distant' topics to which they have so far been indifferent, they will react. Another example, the local council were adamant the kennel would go and the hundreds of dogs sacrificed without anyone batting an eyelid. Once pamphlets were sent and the news spread around this middle-sized town, most of the dogs were adopted and saved. Only 35 remained, of which half will be privately taken by the same people whose kennel was closed, the rest are sick or old. Next time the bastards will watch out if they want to be voted. who says the populace does not care? maybe all we need is 'education, education, education' - no cryptic intentions or hidden political propaganda, but the facts, which is always hidden from us at all costs by the captains of Industry. Truth crushed to earth will rise again.
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Flange 25 posts |
Feb 26, 2001, 13:10
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The trouble is in the UK is that the majority of people forget about something when another issue arises... GM seems to have taken a back seat as the Foot and Mouth Crisis hits and they patherically and stupidly panic buy meat products, next week it will be something different...probably petrol or the price of jam.. GM is still an important issue and something that I and many others are still concerned about - I acquired a list from PETA of ethical food stuffs and companies, as what I consume and use concerns me. I sometimes feel completely useless and worthless, writing letters, postcards and phoning companies to complain, but I'm glad to see that (obviously though it does sometimes feel like it) I'm not alone! I'm currently running a one woman campaign to get a pet shop in Southampton shut down - the owner is selling farmed puppies (@ £450 a time with no home check) and kittens - and feel sometimes that I'm on a losing battle, but you've just got to keep going and trying for what you believe in. I may have just waffled a load of piffle, but keep up the good work Annexus its nice to know that with you and Merrick and the others that I'm not alone and on a losing battle....
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Hambledon Childe 24 posts |
Feb 26, 2001, 14:48
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flange name the shameful petshop and I will get on the case with you Southampton is just down the road from me. Any help I can give just ask HC
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Flange 25 posts |
Feb 26, 2001, 15:01
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Ta for that Hambledon! They actually go under the name of 'wait for it' ANIMAL RESCUE CENTRE in Shirley, Southampton. How dare they........ I am so angry. Thanks for the offer I will be in touch.. (I've been in touch with the official 'ARC' in Surrey and they are very interested in this place... but i'm still keeping my eye on the place and creating merry hell, which is wot I do best!) Horrah!! Nat
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Hambledon Childe 24 posts |
Feb 26, 2001, 15:33
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I know shirley quite well where abouts. animal rescue centre indeed !!! nath
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Flange 25 posts |
Feb 26, 2001, 15:42
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Down the bottom of the High Street opposite the Bingo Hall and the RSPCA Vets (Turn a blind eye and it doesn't exist)!! the place is filthy dirty and they keep gerbils in tanks in the window!! Hmmmmmm fried gerbil one thinks! I've plagued them with phonecalls and visits and basically you want a dog they can get it - at the moment its Jack Russels, Collie X's and another Heinz 57 puppies If you e.mail me (if you want to) on Njt@purpleturtle.com I'll give you some details - Anyone else too!! More the merrier! Nat x
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Annexus Quam 856 posts |
Feb 26, 2001, 18:17
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Alone we may be but lonely we are not! There is always someone! We shouldn't forget this. In the early 90s I thought I was the only one worried about food safety or mad projects like the Newbury Byp-Ass. And I felt desolate and depressed. Then, in a German bunker-like beds¡t, where I lived, I saw a whole bunch of cool drudes on the telly, some climbing on trees, some just simply giving them food... and I felt peace and love and light. And then, to my surprise, I noticed even His and Her Copeness were involved. Mothers and Interpreter a year later sang of Glow and Beauty, and of how 'the Mother is recovering'. There are still zillions of things to do but there is only one way UP ))))))))))))))))) ... and we are fast approaching a better way for the planet, It is the Only Way. It can only get better. Moneygrinders and wastefuckers are only holding on to their remaining chunks of human soul. More and more people are freeing their minds, finding a way out of their isolated existences and beginning to LIVE plus at the same time seeing they're not alone - like me last week when I came across my colleague posting my own anti-GM photocopy (which had previously been made by a group of ecologists) - we are only part of a huge planet and whatever we do is a huge step. AND IT SHOULD ALSO MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER. I get the same buzz from saving a few dogs as listening to Blue Cheer or standing below the most splendid natural waterfalls or approaching a hidden dolmen in a forest. Make yourself (w)hol(l)y and see that every second of YOUR life is sacred. change is possible AND easily viable And as Merrick says: 'We will be the ones to win cos we know how to have fun' Right Freaking On!!
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Merrick 2148 posts |
Feb 26, 2001, 21:36
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GM foods are not used in the own-brand products of all major supermarkets in the UK (Tesco, ASDA, Safeway, Sainsbury's, Marks and Sparks, Iceland), and most manufacturers and big fast food sellers are GM-free too. Annexus asks about choccy bars and digectives; they'l be OK from most manufacturers, but the only way to be sure is to ask em. Regarding the 'GM will save the world' thing, it is total lies. They know they won't win support by advocating corporate control over food (*THE* universal commodity), so they make up this stuff about anti-Gm people being 'anti-progress' fanatics cruelly keeping food from the hungry. Next month's Feature article on U-Know is called Why GM Food Won't Feed The World, and it deals with this in detail. GM crops have NOT delivered the promised increases in yield and resistance to pests. It is all about corporate control, pure and simple. And they'll risk the health of the plants and animals and people of this planet for it. "Soon only the Americans will be eating GMed filth. Shame on them for still living in the dark ages and EVEN HAVING plot-lithic-al candidates who still fight for XXth century industrialism"; whilst I share the sentiment, I have to point out that we're all under the yoke of consumer capitalism, and politicans are the same the world over. Why is there NOWHERE with leaders that people like, or even trust more than a random stranger? And Flange, I have to disagree that people forget about the issues just cos they drop from the headlines. If that were so then the food industry would be dropping its GM ban, but it isn't cos they know what people would do. Have a bit more faith in people! If everyone really is stupid then we're fucked anyway. We have to trust that people aren't stupid and, given proper information and opportunity, will do the right thing. Writing to the companies does help; they know that there's a lot of nutters who'll complain about anything ('your food isn't vegan, it's got calcium from chalk which is fossilised animals', etc), but if they get a whole wedge then they pay attention. For every letter writer there's thousands who agree but haven't written. Annexus tells us change is possible AND easily viable. I'll go one further - change is INEVITABLE. It's up to us to steer it, no matter how difficult and hopeless it may appear. And not just for the good of others, but for ourselves too; how can anyone be proud of their life if they give up on what they know to be right?
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Flange 25 posts |
Feb 27, 2001, 10:48
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I'm sorry for having such little faith in people but I do! People forget so often about whats going on and can only remember the next Tabloid headline.....I sit and watch the people in my area of Southampton on a Saturday and almost cry when I see the kids. They won't change and have no idea whats going on. Ask them what GM foods are and they'd not have a clue, they'd just want to know where the nearest McDonalds is. And even then they wouldn't know where a burger came from... I'm angry with people so bloody angry... I agree that its up to the likes of us to change the world and stick to our guns, which I do and will always do no matter how steep the up hill struggle.... But I feel sad so often that I'm part of the human race. Ho hum just me I suppose.....Bad day...
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Buzzard of Morfe 196 posts |
Feb 27, 2001, 11:43
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I know what you mean Flange, but we must take heart! Years ago I held a public meeting with residents of a housing estate in Sandwell. We, the BTCV, had a plan to save a dirty and polluted brrok from the clutches of litter, neglect and pollution. On the great day, councillors attending, I had all my boards set up to enlist volunteers, it bombed! The residents said that they wanted the whole brook concreted over as it was a 'nuisance'. The fact was, it was THEIR children that were littering the place. People have come so far down the post-industrial road that it seems many don't have a clue what life can offer? Why have a beautiful communal brook and woodland when you can have concrete? I'll tell you why?! Because I once took a large group of innercity kids to the woods with a group called The Woodcraft Folk. 90% of theses kids had never even been in a wood. For 5 days they camped in tents that they had erected themselves, they cooked in the open air, they helped me cut wood and build a proper fire etc.. I saw the difference, I had seen these kids in their home environment, a large council estate, and they bitched and scrapped like kids do etc, but they had nothing there, just cans to kick about the street. What I am trying to say is, after all the heartache I suffered working for conservation, the glaring contrast of working with children was like a soul enema. Kids only stuff MacDonalds because they have been failed. 5 days in a wood and theses kids were playing wide games, asking questions about a MILLION things they had never seen, and above all, having fun, learning to respect nature (not to mention learning that food often means death to an animal, or someone having to actually GROW stuff!) Flange, I'm rattling on a bit! Just wanted to say: Adults are the problem, but the next generation are kids today. The only way out is UP!
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