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Monganaut
Monganaut
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Edited Feb 22, 2018, 05:37
Studies Suggests Neolithic Britons Killed Off By Bubonic Plague
Feb 22, 2018, 05:11
Interesting little article in the Independent. Apparently our Neolithic forbears were of Mediterranean/Middle Eastern origin and were 90% were wiped out by plague carried by 'Beaker' incomers. Now that's something that I hadn't considered for the large cultural shift during the Bronze Age. The article states that that only Sardinia has remnants of it's original Neolithic population.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/stonehenge-neolithic-britain-history-ancestors-plague-archaeology-beaker-people-a8222341.html

Also in the Daily Tory
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5413607/Neolithic-farmers-wiped-Beaker-people.html

Different mag suggests that Bronze Age plague not spread by fleas.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/10/bronze-age-plague-wasnt-spread-fleas

Cambridge Archaeology
http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/plague-in-humans-twice-as-old-but-didnt-begin-as-flea-borne-ancient-dna-reveals

A couple of other articles worth a butchers too...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5420077/Researchers-discovered-new-prehistoric-migration-paths.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5419511/Ancient-cave-drawings-led-modern-lanuages.html
moss
moss
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Re: Studies Suggests Neolithic Britons Killed Off By Bubonic Plague
Feb 23, 2018, 11:16
Monganaut wrote:
Interesting little article in the Independent. Apparently our Neolithic forbears were of Mediterranean/Middle Eastern origin and were 90% were wiped out by plague carried by 'Beaker' incomers. Now that's something that I hadn't considered for the large cultural shift during the Bronze Age. The article states that that only Sardinia has remnants of it's original Neolithic population.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/stonehenge-neolithic-britain-history-ancestors-plague-archaeology-beaker-people-a8222341.html

Also in the Daily Tory
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5413607/Neolithic-farmers-wiped-Beaker-people.html

Different mag suggests that Bronze Age plague not spread by fleas.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/10/bronze-age-plague-wasnt-spread-fleas

Cambridge Archaeology
http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/plague-in-humans-twice-as-old-but-didnt-begin-as-flea-borne-ancient-dna-reveals

A couple of other articles worth a butchers too...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5420077/Researchers-discovered-new-prehistoric-migration-paths.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5419511/Ancient-cave-drawings-led-modern-lanuages.html


And then, along came the blue-eyed people. I have read and heard that modern day DNA is a bit up the creek, go to two or more services for DNA and you get completely different answers on your make-up. Does it matter? ;)

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/blue-eyed-steppe-people-britons-ancestors-not-builders-stonehenge/
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
4670 posts

Re: Studies Suggests Neolithic Britons Killed Off By Bubonic Plague
Feb 23, 2018, 14:11
moss wrote:
Monganaut wrote:
Interesting little article in the Independent. Apparently our Neolithic forbears were of Mediterranean/Middle Eastern origin and were 90% were wiped out by plague carried by 'Beaker' incomers. Now that's something that I hadn't considered for the large cultural shift during the Bronze Age. The article states that that only Sardinia has remnants of it's original Neolithic population.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/stonehenge-neolithic-britain-history-ancestors-plague-archaeology-beaker-people-a8222341.html

Also in the Daily Tory
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5413607/Neolithic-farmers-wiped-Beaker-people.html

Different mag suggests that Bronze Age plague not spread by fleas.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/10/bronze-age-plague-wasnt-spread-fleas

Cambridge Archaeology
http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/plague-in-humans-twice-as-old-but-didnt-begin-as-flea-borne-ancient-dna-reveals

A couple of other articles worth a butchers too...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5420077/Researchers-discovered-new-prehistoric-migration-paths.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5419511/Ancient-cave-drawings-led-modern-lanuages.html


And then, along came the blue-eyed people. I have read and heard that modern day DNA is a bit up the creek, go to two or more services for DNA and you get completely different answers on your make-up. Does it matter? ;)

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/blue-eyed-steppe-people-britons-ancestors-not-builders-stonehenge/


And if the past is anything to go by, it'll be all change again before too long!
Monganaut
Monganaut
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Edited Feb 23, 2018, 15:04
Re: Studies Suggests Neolithic Britons Killed Off By Bubonic Plague
Feb 23, 2018, 15:02
Ha Ha, oh well, never mind, back to the drawing board.

I read those ancestry DNA kits are a bit shit too, a friend had one done, and apparently he was a bit disappointed he came from all over (no real surprises really considering what a mongrol nation the UK is).
Amil04
447 posts

Re: Studies Suggests Neolithic Britons Killed Off By Bubonic Plague
Feb 23, 2018, 16:03
Regarding those DNA testing kits...
‘They’ just want your DNA! To use as they will...Complete and utter con in my opinion.
Shame the ‘Neolithic Britons’ didn’t have our wonderful vaccines eh?
Not.
Imagine a few thousand years into the future...

‘Studies suggest ancient Brits nearly wiped out by irresponsible (at best) vaccine programs’

“Waiter....there’s aborted foetal cells in my soup!..and my coke, and my anti wrinkle cream...
...and my vaccines.”

Apologies..in rant mode.
tjj
tjj
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Re: Studies Suggests Neolithic Britons Killed Off By Bubonic Plague
Feb 23, 2018, 20:48
Interesting links M, I didn't comment earlier as it all felt a bit baffling. You've probably seen this link which is related as about DNA testing again and also references your first link. This time about the origins of horses ... which is intriguing as horses appear on rock/cave paintings.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/horse-origin-mysterious-domestic-dna-analysis-przewalskis-botai-domesticated-a8224121.html

See also the Peche Merle spotted horses - which seem to be dated between 25,000BC and 16,000BC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pech_Merle

Read in conjunction with the Independent's article it all seems a bit confusing.
Monganaut
Monganaut
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Re: Studies Suggests Neolithic Britons Killed Off By Bubonic Plague
Feb 24, 2018, 20:13
Yeah, saw the horses article the other day. Seems we can't take anything for granted at the minute. I do find all this 'new' science is kinda exciting, I quite like it when accepted opinions are turned on their head. I was particularly interested in the cave painting/languge development studies article. Dunno how much I buy into it, I'm sure peeps were communicating aurally before they started hanging around in the depths of caves, poisoning themselves to make handprints and pictograms, but it's an interesting idea nontheless. They'll be telling us lithophones invented music next.
Amil04
447 posts

Re: Studies Suggests Neolithic Britons Killed Off By Bubonic Plague
Feb 25, 2018, 11:07
..umbrellas cause rain.
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
4670 posts

Re: Studies Suggests Neolithic Britons Killed Off By Bubonic Plague
Feb 25, 2018, 12:57
Monganaut wrote:


I quite like it when accepted opinions are turned on their head.


Yep, and then 10 years later it's all change again when another theory is turned into 'fact'.
I sometimes feel there is a competition between the archaeologists of the day to outsmart each other!
Monganaut
Monganaut
2365 posts

Edited Feb 25, 2018, 19:23
Re: Studies Suggests Neolithic Britons Killed Off By Bubonic Plague
Feb 25, 2018, 19:20
Think it's endemic in the education system too. Struggle for funding must be a real drag. Having to come up with a new idea or theory every couple of years just to keep ya job, and then have to prove or disprove it. Still, it's all part of lifes rich tapestry I guess, and after all, some of the research will turn out to be useful, if only to give a springboard to someone elses ideas. If it makes us question the evidence, it hopefully will help us to think outside the box a little.
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