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Resonox 558 posts |
Feb 03, 2012, 07:19
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rockhopper wrote: Bare with me. I'm a total novice to these boxes of bewilderment, but got to learn sometime i guess, and learn it fast. Which ironically sums up what i expected of people who should know better. (Kayford, where were you?) If anyones still in any doubt, and didnt see it, check the post sent 31/1/12 at 20.38. That sums it up really, not trowel wielding mud scufflers worried about their jobs, but the top people. In charge of the decisions, and what people should and should not know. They are a total disgrace, and need to be held accountable. I've copied that for you to save people searching around...see below...hope it is a help. rockhopper wrote: In 2003, I took two geologists out to take a look at some of this. I subsequently received a letter from one of them, one of the most reputable geologists in this country, and a senior lecturer at trinity College Dublin. I will quote the first part of that letter.
Dear Mark, I have been talking with Robbie over the past week and we both agreed you are really on to something. We found that arrangement of stones in several places that you took us to be quite unnatural and thus indicate the action of man. I'm still not sure how these can be accurately dated but there are one or two recently developed techniques that I will investigate. In the meantime i would strongly encourage you to pursue your investigations and to enlist the help of professional archaeologists if at all possible-I feel they will be very pleasantly surprised. I sent over twenty copies of this letter to the most senior archaeologists in this country. I received no replies. I will leave you to draw your own conclusions.
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nigelswift 5530 posts |
Feb 03, 2012, 07:54
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I think Rhiannon's advice may be right Rocky, shrug and move on, don't waste precious energy resenting the fact people ignore you, use it instead to build up your case even further so it's so clear they can't. Top people can be rude I know but a couple of geologists saying "We found that arrangement of stones in several places that you took us to be quite unnatural and thus indicate the action of man" isn't going to bring them running when they're busy on their own projects, especially when there's no evidence offered that it happened in antiquity. (There's a big and continuing problem of sarsen-nicking on the Marlborough Downs). There's another thing I constantly run up against, archaeology is skint. If a professor can't get research funding he's likely to be out of a job so he daren't spend half a day checking your site out. Ditto EH site inspectors, they can't get round the Scheduled sites in the time allocated following EH's 30% decimation so again they don't feel able to deviate from their allocated route. That leaves the rest of the archaeologists, 99% of them. They're either unemployed or working for a private client in advance of development and need to work fast and like stink.
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rockhopper 186 posts |
Feb 04, 2012, 01:51
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Perhaps I hav'nt been making myself clear. This is not about people ignoring stuff, its about them suppressing stuff. There is a huge difference. And shrug is not in my dictionary. Over the past 20 years, Coillte (the Irish forestry board) has churned up hundreds, perhaps thousands of acres of this. And as things stand, no one can stop them from churning up more. (vested interests perhaps?) And although they are losing millions every year, forestry, someone correct me if i'm misinformed, provides huge tax breaks for the extremely well off. I know the archaeos are under pressure, as are we all, but using that as an excuse is no excuse. Love of the subject should suffice. I'm having a hell of a job with this nail of a computer, downloading stuff left right and centre only to find it wont run my dvd's. Anyone in the Waterford area able to give me access to a dvd recorder for a couple of days so i can silence the doubters out there? Go raibh math agat, agus slan.
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Resonox 558 posts |
Feb 04, 2012, 08:52
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My opinion would still be to contact a newspaper archaeology expert(perhaps just a local reporter with a nose for a hot story)....Supression of things is usually right up their street, especially as they'll have a more than willing guide around sites in yourself....If you forward them photocopies of the original correspondece...including veiled threats....they might even be able to get a porta-cam arranged
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Sanctuary 1836 posts |
Feb 04, 2012, 10:43
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Resonox wrote: My opinion would still be to contact a newspaper archaeology expert(perhaps just a local reporter with a nose for a hot story)....Supression of things is usually right up their street, especially as they'll have a more than willing guide around sites in yourself....If you forward them photocopies of the original correspondece...including veiled threats....they might even be able to get a porta-cam arranged I'd second that.
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rockhopper 186 posts |
Feb 04, 2012, 11:03
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See if you can access the "Dungarvan Observer" online. 30/3/2011. Half page feature. The journo covering the story put it down to "professional jealousy". Pure and simple. Tried the national media, but no interest. If you're not a recognized name, you're really up against it.
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Resonox 558 posts |
Feb 04, 2012, 13:05
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rockhopper wrote: See if you can access the "Dungarvan Observer" online. 30/3/2011. Half page feature. The journo covering the story put it down to "professional jealousy". Pure and simple. Tried the national media, but no interest. If you're not a recognized name, you're really up against it. I have tried to access the feature you mention...but can't...do you have a link? Also as the only thing I could find was a contact e-mail address..I have asked if they might be as kind as to send the link too. The journalist who covered the story and claims it was "professional jealousy"...was he implying that the professionals were covering the story up or that they were simply feigning disinterest so as to claim credit at some later date?
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wychburyman 693 posts |
Edited Feb 04, 2012, 13:35
Feb 04, 2012, 13:32
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There is a lot of truth in what you say, I would imagine. The great irony is that given... rockhopper wrote: No attempt is made to engage or examine the evidence, instead the reaction is one of ridicule and contempt. . This applies to this message board as well, evident by the standing message at the top.
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rockhopper 186 posts |
Feb 04, 2012, 14:34
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sorry, dont have a link. I think the journo was implying a bit of both, but the latter is going to be very difficult. The story of the hare and the tortoise springs to mind.
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rockhopper 186 posts |
Feb 04, 2012, 15:40
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Not so. The opinions of the academics are welcomed and embraced. They have numerous platforms on which they can air their views. Its about freedom of expression, to which we are all entitled. i would ridicule ANYONE who attempts to prevent that.
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