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fachtna 28 posts |
Jun 10, 2010, 22:38
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Hello - I apologise for bringing the topic of the Silbury Hill project up again (I have said that I wouldn't) but an issue has arisen that may be of some significance for me and my family and I would be grateful for your help. I have just posted 2 videos produced for English Heritage by Chris Corden Productions on Youtube (thanks to EH and Chris Corden for permission to reproduce the images). The 1st video can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxkXdK2hcs4 The 2nd video can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVxKI0bKdk4 There are differing views with regard to the derivation of these films: In one view the 1st video appeared on the EH Silbury Project Website in the early stages of the fieldwork in 2007 and was taken down and replaced by the 2nd video. In another view the Ist video never appeared at all on the EH website, which has only ever presented the 2nd video as the first in a series of films on the project. I would be very grateful for any assistance (and evidence) that people may be able to provide to establish which of these views is correct. Thanks fachtna
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Sanctuary 1833 posts |
Jun 11, 2010, 08:35
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It's interesting how diverse some of these films are on Silbury Hill. In the first film shown the commentator says that the hill took some 4 million man hours to complete, yet in the Channel Four doco 'The Heart of the Hill' it says 18 million! That's a huge difference isn't it. And another aspect I find interesting is the suggestion that the hill was always gleaming white with many people suggesting that's what it was designed to be so that it stood out. Is there any real evidence to support this? Even the final stage of construction would have taken so long that wouldn't the chalk have greened up as work continued...unless it was purposely kept clean during construction that is and after completion? The same has been said of Abvebury's Great Circle's bank, but again, that would green up as work continued surely. The only chalk you see today on the bank is where people walk along it, but I noticed a year or two back when sections were closed off for maintainance growth returned within weeks.
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tjj 1763 posts |
Edited Jun 11, 2010, 16:28
Jun 11, 2010, 08:50
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Just watched the first fim Fachtna and although I don't have time just now to watch the second (carefully in order to comment) my first thought is that the men who intially went into the tunnel were taking a tremendous risk with their own lives. It raises the question, "was English Heritage negligent in this matter and was it more luck than judgement that prevented anyone being seriously injured or hurt??". Brave men anyway, whoever they were. best wishes
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Rhiannon 4259 posts |
Edited Jun 11, 2010, 08:58
Jun 11, 2010, 08:55
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Well I dont' know if the 'Way Back Machine' would help you, put in the general EH homepage address and then if you choose a date you will see the homepage as it was. If you then click EH's 'site map' in the top left corner it's probably the easiest way to see if the silbury pages are available. I had a quick look and for example you can see these pages on the hill from some point in early 2007 http://web.archive.org/web/20070108205603/www.english-heritage.org.uk/server/show/nav.8613 I think that's what it's showing anyway, you could look in more detail obviously, different dates and that. Although absence of evidence would't mean evidence of absence, it just might not have recorded the site on the day your video was there, if it was there?
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moss 2023 posts |
Jun 11, 2010, 09:36
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Well I suppose the most obvious difference between the two videos is approximately 5 minutes, the first is 9 minutes long and the second four minutes. Therefore a lot has ended up on the editing floor in the second video.....
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tjj 1763 posts |
Edited Jun 11, 2010, 16:28
Jun 11, 2010, 16:26
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tjj wrote: Just watched the first fim Fachtna and although I don't have time just now to watch the second (carefully in order to comment) my first thought is that the men who intially went into the tunnel were taking a tremendous risk with their own lives. It raises the question, "was English Heritage negligent in this matter and was it more luck than judgement that prevented anyone being seriously injured or hurt??". Brave men anyway, whoever they were. best wishes Excuse me for quoting my own earlier post; have done so as have now watched the second video and the obvious difference is the one you pointed out yourself Fachtna - it doesn't show the men going in during the early stages of conservation or any of the actual work being undertaken. Was there something about the initial working practices that was questionable so EH did the pragmatic thing and edited that bit out ... perhaps?
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fachtna 28 posts |
Jun 11, 2010, 16:52
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Thanks to everyone who has watched the videos and to those who have replied to this post. To clarify matters - essentially I am trying to establish if this 1st film ever appeared on the EH Silbury website (would have been May/June 2007) and if so, then what evidence could be cited to prove this. all the best fachtna
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tjj 1763 posts |
Edited Jun 12, 2010, 08:38
Jun 12, 2010, 08:26
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fachtna wrote: Thanks to everyone who has watched the videos and to those who have replied to this post. To clarify matters - essentially I am trying to establish if this 1st film ever appeared on the EH Silbury website (would have been May/June 2007) and if so, then what evidence could be cited to prove this. all the best fachtna I'm sorry it doesn't appear anyone can help you with this Fachtna; saying that I recall seeing the first video is not evidence. There was much discussion on this forum, some of it heated, about the conservation work on Silbury. PeteG posted a link which may have been to the video in question and you can see it (if you haven't already done so) by clicking on 'Silbury Forum' above and scrolling back to 2007. I had a look last night and although it takes you to the English Heritage site it comes up with a 'no longer available' code. Good luck with your quest.
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fachtna 28 posts |
Jul 15, 2010, 19:37
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fachtna wrote: Hello - I apologise for bringing the topic of the Silbury Hill project up again (I have said that I wouldn't) but an issue has arisen that may be of some significance for me and my family and I would be grateful for your help. I have just posted 2 videos produced for English Heritage by Chris Corden Productions on Youtube (thanks to EH and Chris Corden for permission to reproduce the images). The 1st video can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxkXdK2hcs4 The 2nd video can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVxKI0bKdk4 There are differing views with regard to the derivation of these films: In one view the 1st video appeared on the EH Silbury Project Website in the early stages of the fieldwork in 2007 and was taken down and replaced by the 2nd video. In another view the Ist video never appeared at all on the EH website, which has only ever presented the 2nd video as the first in a series of films on the project. I would be very grateful for any assistance (and evidence) that people may be able to provide to establish which of these views is correct. Thanks fachtna Hello I would just like to say that my query about the films has now been resolved. After a request under the Freedom Of Information Act English Heritage has discovered that 'both versions of the first Silbury film [ie the 2 videos I posted on youtube] were on the EH website at different times, and that the longer version of the first film [which I termed video 1] was replaced by a shorter edited version [video 2]. The first version of the first film presented the backgound to the 2007 fieldwork and showed work taking place inside the re-opened Atkinson tunnel in May/June 2007, including the excavation of the buried ditch and me talking about the work to camera. This was replaced by a shorter version which only presented the background to the 2007 fieldwork. This shorter version was accompanied on the EH website by another film - 'A walk through the tunnel'. This begins with the excavation of the buried ditch being discussed by Mr Jim Leary, who is described in the film as the 'Fieldwork Director of the project for English Heritage'. Many thanks to all who have assisted with this. fachtna
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megadread 1202 posts |
Jul 16, 2010, 01:40
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fachtna wrote: fachtna wrote: Hello - I apologise for bringing the topic of the Silbury Hill project up again (I have said that I wouldn't) but an issue has arisen that may be of some significance for me and my family and I would be grateful for your help. I have just posted 2 videos produced for English Heritage by Chris Corden Productions on Youtube (thanks to EH and Chris Corden for permission to reproduce the images). The 1st video can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxkXdK2hcs4 The 2nd video can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVxKI0bKdk4 There are differing views with regard to the derivation of these films: In one view the 1st video appeared on the EH Silbury Project Website in the early stages of the fieldwork in 2007 and was taken down and replaced by the 2nd video. In another view the Ist video never appeared at all on the EH website, which has only ever presented the 2nd video as the first in a series of films on the project. I would be very grateful for any assistance (and evidence) that people may be able to provide to establish which of these views is correct. Thanks fachtna Hello I would just like to say that my query about the films has now been resolved. After a request under the Freedom Of Information Act English Heritage has discovered that 'both versions of the first Silbury film [ie the 2 videos I posted on youtube] were on the EH website at different times, and that the longer version of the first film [which I termed video 1] was replaced by a shorter edited version [video 2]. The first version of the first film presented the backgound to the 2007 fieldwork and showed work taking place inside the re-opened Atkinson tunnel in May/June 2007, including the excavation of the buried ditch and me talking about the work to camera. This was replaced by a shorter version which only presented the background to the 2007 fieldwork. This shorter version was accompanied on the EH website by another film - 'A walk through the tunnel'. This begins with the excavation of the buried ditch being discussed by Mr Jim Leary, who is described in the film as the 'Fieldwork Director of the project for English Heritage'. Many thanks to all who have assisted with this. fachtna Glad you got it sorted. :)
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