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goffik 3570 posts |
Feb 12, 2010, 13:46
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Food indeed! To echo Moss: What do you mean by "water hordes"? I Googled it but the closest thing I came up with is this very thread! :D Sounds right up my alley though... :) G x
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Rhiannon 4259 posts |
Edited Feb 12, 2010, 14:38
Feb 12, 2010, 14:15
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hoards innit. Like Tal y Llyn http://www.gtj.org.uk/en/small/item/GTJ31689/ and Cerrig Bach http://people.bath.ac.uk/liskmj/living-spring/sourcearchive/ns1/ns1mg1.htm
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Wiggy 1515 posts |
Edited Feb 12, 2010, 14:54
Feb 12, 2010, 14:51
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Doh! Spelling! "Hoard" - you wouldn't believe I have a degree in English Lit would you!=;o) Am going to correct/edit the offending post now.
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Wiggy 1515 posts |
Edited Feb 12, 2010, 14:56
Feb 12, 2010, 14:52
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Thankyou Rhiannon - looking after a toddler all day has wrecked my brain. Have just edited the post.
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moss 2023 posts |
Edited Feb 12, 2010, 15:12
Feb 12, 2010, 15:10
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Wiggy wrote: Doh! Spelling! "Hoard" - you wouldn't believe I have a degree in English Lit would you!=;o) Am going to correct/edit the offending post now. Don't worry it came to me about an hour later; it has led on to a good link by Rhiannon also, reading through the Miranda Green one, noticed that saint Dwynwen on her island at Llanddwyn is the welsh 'valentine' saint ;) lots of lovely 'celtic' type tales, one of which has a boulder on the edge of a cliff, a strange 'spy-hole' apparently opened in the boulder for the dying Dwynwen, so that she could look at the marvellous sunset over the Irish Sea....
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Rhiannon 4259 posts |
Feb 12, 2010, 15:14
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Ha no worries, just thought I'd butt in in case you'd disappeared off :) The lecture sounds interesting. I should have organised myself and gone too. It could well be relevant, teh thing about the changing climate. But it is interesting how people's interpretation of history alters according to their own times. I reckon that's happened a lot? I wonder how rapidly the change from the longbarrow to the roundbarrow thing happened really. And there was technological change going on too. And communications weren't as bad as you'd think, judging by stuff that was being traded long distance. So maybe it got to the point (after a Long Time as well) that people had done with long barrows. Time for something new. Dunno. We've been burying people the same way for a couple of thousand years. It's not something that gets particularly reflected on is it. It's just What You Do With Dead People. Just waffling, excuse me. I must get on with some work actually.
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Chance 70 posts |
Feb 12, 2010, 21:35
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Rhiannon wrote: I wonder how rapidly the change from the longbarrow to the roundbarrow thing happened really. And there was technological change going on too. And communications weren't as bad as you'd think, judging by stuff that was being traded long distance. So maybe it got to the point (after a Long Time as well) that people had done with long barrows. Time for something new. Dunno. We've been burying people the same way for a couple of thousand years. It's not something that gets particularly reflected on is it. It's just What You Do With Dead People. Did you read this....... http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/3354/sanctuary.html The burial By M. E. Cunnington - 1930 One burial was found. This consisted of a much crouched skeleton of a youth some 14 or 15 years of age, lying in a shallow grave on the inner side of the stone hole 12, in the Stone-and-post-ring, i.e., on the eastern side of the rings immediately behind the one single-post hole in the Bank Holiday ring. The skeleton lay on its right side, head to the south, feet to the north i.e., facing east. The grave was l ft. deep, 3ft. long, by 2ft. wide. The grave and the stone hole cut into one another, and the body must have almost, if not quite, touched the inner face of the stone at the time of burial, if the stone was already standing. The arms were crossed above the elbow in front of the face, the two hands seeming to enfold the face, finger bones being found over and under the facial bones ; the head was bent forward over the chest, and the legs were crossed below the knees. In front of the legs just below the knees lay the crushed fragments of a beaker. Intimately associated with the skeleton, apparently having been laid on the body when it was buried, were some bones of animals, some being slightly charred. A few small flecks of charred (or decayed?) wood were noticed among the bones of the skeleton. The bones of the skeleton were nearly all broken, most of the limb bones being in several pieces. The skull and the beaker were crushed flat and a few fragments of both were missing ; it seems that this was probably due to a certain amount of disturbance caused when the stone fell, or was thrown down and removed. Some of the crushing may be due to heavy modern agricultural machines. It is hardly possible that the burial was made before the stone hole was dug ; the probability seems to be that it was made at the time the stone was erected, for the risk of bringing down the stone would have been considerable had the grave been dug Later. As all the ground within and including the Fence-ring was dug over, had there been other burials they must have been found, so this with Woodhenge makes the second elaborate series of wooden circles that were not erected primarily as burial places. This solitary somewhat insignifcant burial may have been of a dedicatory nature as the only one of the rings at Woodhenge is thought to have been. The evidence from the burial affords a striking parallel to that of the pottery as regards an overlap in cultures. While some of the pottery is of the West Kennet Long Barrow type the rest is equally characteristic of the succeeding "Beaker" period. The youth buried beside the stone was of Long Barrow people ancestry, but the vessel by his side is one typical of the "Beaker" people, who invaded Britian at the end of the Long Barrow period, imposing their culture—and presumably conquering—the Long Barrow people who were previously predominant in southern Britain. Better evidence of overlap could scarcely be expected.
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goffik 3570 posts |
Feb 12, 2010, 22:46
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Oh, HOARDS! FFS! Sorry- my toddler/baby-addled brain couldn't work that simple thing out! Duh! Sorry Wiggy, and cheers Rhiannon! :) G x
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