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tjj 1763 posts |
Mar 01, 2010, 08:44
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Rhiannon wrote: So you didn't see the man in the gorilla suit then. Watch again. Very good! I was so focused on following the specification in the question i.e. counting the number of throws by the people in white t-shirts - no, I didn't notice the figure in the gorilla suit. My eye edited it out.
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tiompan 3169 posts |
Edited Mar 01, 2010, 09:48
Mar 01, 2010, 09:46
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Rhiannon wrote: So you didn't see the man in the gorilla suit then. Watch again. lol , good one .Just as well it wasn't an elephant .
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Rhiannon 4259 posts |
Mar 01, 2010, 10:16
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It's totally bizarre isn't it. You almost want to argue that it's a different video altogether - how could you miss such a stupid thing. Ok so it doesn't prove leprechauns exist. But it might explain how you don't see them if they actually do :)
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tiompan 3169 posts |
Mar 01, 2010, 10:44
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Rhiannon wrote: It's totally bizarre isn't it. You almost want to argue that it's a different video altogether - how could you miss such a stupid thing. Ok so it doesn't prove leprechauns exist. But it might explain how you don't see them if they actually do :) We are incompetent observers , no doubt , that's how illusionists /"magicians " get away with so much . But that incompetence is a different category from failing to experience "subtle enregies " . There are many very rare animals and plants that have gone unnoticed until the experienced eagle eyed observer has found them and they would look exactly the same whatever culture or continent they happened to be found in or on .
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moss 2023 posts |
Mar 01, 2010, 11:37
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tiompan wrote: We are incompetent observers , no doubt , that's how illusionists /"magicians " get away with so much . But that incompetence is a different category from failing to experience "subtle enregies " . There are many very rare animals and plants that have gone unnoticed until the experienced eagle eyed observer has found them and they would look exactly the same whatever culture or continent they happened to be found in or on . That of course is the conundrum, what are we missing in the realms of 'subtle energies', how far are our senses dumbed down by the world we live in. There are no ghosts the logical half of my brain tells me, yet when I look at someone earnestly telling me they have seen such a thing I cannot call them to account. We all seem to have two sides of the brain working at one and the same time, our subjective side experiences that which is insubstantial, the logical side analysises and in most cases overrides anything that it can't fit neatly into a box...
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tiompan 3169 posts |
Mar 01, 2010, 12:23
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moss wrote: tiompan wrote: We are incompetent observers , no doubt , that's how illusionists /"magicians " get away with so much . But that incompetence is a different category from failing to experience "subtle enregies " . There are many very rare animals and plants that have gone unnoticed until the experienced eagle eyed observer has found them and they would look exactly the same whatever culture or continent they happened to be found in or on . That of course is the conundrum, what are we missing in the realms of 'subtle energies', how far are our senses dumbed down by the world we live in. There are no ghosts the logical half of my brain tells me, yet when I look at someone earnestly telling me they have seen such a thing I cannot call them to account. We all seem to have two sides of the brain working at one and the same time, our subjective side experiences that which is insubstantial, the logical side analysises and in most cases overrides anything that it can't fit neatly into a box... We filter "reality " through our, efficient enough for survival , receptors and are only too aware that these filters leave out masses of info that may only confuse , but we also have the adjuncts of technology that have extended these filters and are sufficiently modest to accept that there will more to be discovered whether flora ,fauna or "energies "or stone circles buried in peat . The reason that I might doubt the ghost /leprechaun /deva/angel story is experience of that subjectivity which is a great creator of stories to explain some puzzling interaction with the noumenon /reality .We are far from knowing it all never mind just a wee bit but that doesn't mean we should accept terms like "subtle energies " to explain something that is almost certainly subjective. It reminds me of the typical response from the dodgy artists who claim "they laughed at Stravinsky /Van Gogh /Joyce" .
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Branwen 824 posts |
Mar 01, 2010, 15:59
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The gorilla vid is good - the question posed, that you concentrate on, is like the misdirection of the illusionist. I couldn't be arsed counting and just popped it on to see what it was, so wasn't distracted. Anyone concentrating on one thing, with expectations, will see and miss things. Having an open mind is the only way to go. Youse guys must see it all the time; how the person with a certain theory about stone alignments manages to see them everywhere. Maybe he sees them better cos he's an expert, maybe he just went in with a preconception. When someone tells me they have seen a leprechaun, I resist the temptation to wink and smile and say "oh did you now" as if they are either winding me up and I am playing along, or as if I am humouring them and really don't believe a word of it. Then again. I did get wound up a lot growing up by people who realised I'd take anything they said seriously, at least long enough for a discussion, though. They thought I was gullible and too serious, rather than open to discussion. How much of our blinkered-ness comes from social training though? Kids are expected to grow out of seeing things that aren't there. I had imaginary friends as a kid and my older sister in particular taught me not to mention them. Then I got in trouble when the forestry commission came round and it turned out one wasn't imaginary, he was a tramp living in the woods. As a seven year old, I couldn't tell the difference. In North Uuist the parents don't teach the kids to think they don't have more than five senses. If you meet any adult from there and say, oh... North Uist, you must be quite psychic, how psychic are you? They will give you a reply on their level of ability, quite seriously, once they know you aren't being facietious. Quite a few well recorded events of seeing the future from there too. The celts, and one assumes even older peoples, taught you had seven or nine senses, which I always believed growing up.
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Littlestone 4380 posts |
Mar 01, 2010, 16:44
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Sorry, Branwen, not sure if your reply is directed to me or to Rhiannon here - http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/forum/?thread=23321&message=716436 I certainly agree with you though when you say, "Youse guys must see it all the time; the person with a certain theory about stone alignments manages to see them everywhere." It's not so prevalent on TMA any more, but if you scroll back to threads posted four or five years ago you'll find quite a few theorists who wouldn't be budged from their pet theory. That doesn't include the theory that some circles were no more than very big pig pens however ;-)
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Branwen 824 posts |
Edited Mar 01, 2010, 21:00
Mar 01, 2010, 20:56
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Just a reply to anyone that watched the video, I tend to view the thread flat in chronological order, not threaded. I totally miss people supposedly being offensive and other people supposedly thinking I need defending, if I skip a few days, at least until someone emails me, supposedly being supportive. Meanwhile.... ignorance really IS bliss.
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Littlestone 4380 posts |
Edited Mar 01, 2010, 23:33
Mar 01, 2010, 23:32
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Meanwhile.... ignorance really IS bliss. 知らぬが仏 (Not knowing is Buddha). Then again, being Buddha, the neither knowing or the not knowing would become something of an indulgence...
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