Loopy Lumbago
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About time!
Jan 13, 2010, 11:30
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http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html
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dodge one
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Re: About time!
Jan 13, 2010, 13:17
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This is news to anyone? That entire country, and others in Asia too, essentially built there entire industries on stolen intellectual property.
I would estimate that in just China alone, 95% of the computers there are running on pirated software/operating systems.
But in this era of "Down-Loading" being the norm....who Care's right?
'Click Download Now'...........easy peasy..........
Why the entire Western world has embraced the wholesale collapse of there own domestic economies, to support a communist one with an abysmal human rights record is a mystery to me.
Can only lay it down to apathy. U-Know.
{Imaginary dueshy Rage against the Machine Video Link}
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stray
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Edited Jan 13, 2010, 13:37
Re: About time!
Jan 13, 2010, 13:33
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I think you need to read the communist manifesto and see how much of it actually relates to how china functions, but maybe not, who cares right ? Its just semantics. Who needs them when you can pull figures out of your ass (estimate is probably correct, but why on earth is it relevant here) and go off on one of your hobby horses (Intellectual Property etc, etc). China isn't, never was actually, communist, and isn't even Maoist these days either, but I digress.
The human rights issues are important, piracy isn't really important at all, thats a very consumerist/american concern that most us don't honestly give a flying fuck about as you know. If you think about it economically then you'll realise that the chinese system is as unsupportable as our own economic system is anyway. They sell to us, their internal market is not strong enough to support the manufacturing infrastructure they've built and nor is it ever likely to be. We pissed away our own manufacturing base a long time ago, its not that we can't compete, it's that we chose to move out of those markets a while ago. You can argue if that was a good thing to do or not sure, but the only way our markets could have continued to function with its large industrial/manufacturing base would be to impose massive state owned/subsidised manufacturing. In short, taking a communist or socialist approach. So.. you can't have it both ways, a free market (although there aren't actually any free markets in the world anyway) or a state capitalist, communist or socialist system ? Or Anarcho-Syndicalist even (for giggles).
Google compromised heavily in order to further their own expansion plans into Asia. They knew this shit would happen, anyone with the remotest insight into how China functions knew this would happen. Why the surprise ? Also, why on earth are they even trying to get uppity about it now ? they 'will not hesitate to reconsider our approach to china" ahahaha.. Those decisions were removed from the board the moment they floated their company, who are they trying to kid ?
Edit : Also if you think a company the financial size of google with its epic liquidity will be allowed to make arbitrary decisions about dealing with one of the USs largest trading partners.. well... this is all posturing. No idea whats behind it, but there is no way google can act without the nod from the US political structure.
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dodge one
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Re: About time!
Jan 13, 2010, 13:39
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You must have visited a different China then i did.
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Loopy Lumbago
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Re: About time!
Jan 13, 2010, 13:44
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The Google blog was mainly about the hacking of accounts belonging to human rights activists.
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stray
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Edited Jan 13, 2010, 13:46
Re: About time!
Jan 13, 2010, 13:45
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Wha ? did I say china was great ? Did you read what I wrote? China is terrible in many, many ways. It's also not communist, if you know what communism is. Yep, I was making semantic points. The OP of this thread was about Google posturing over the invasion of privacy and intimidation of activists. You, for reasons I cant even begin to understand, brought up piracy and tried to aimlessly link it to communism.
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dodge one
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Re: About time!
Jan 13, 2010, 13:46
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I quite understood that.
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dodge one
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Re: About time!
Jan 13, 2010, 13:49
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From Wiki:
"It is a system of multi-party cooperation and political consultation under the leadership of the Communist Party of China"
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stray
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Re: About time!
Jan 13, 2010, 13:50
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Then why on earth did you do the wah! piracy, Wah! taking our intellectual property rant ? I explained why we deal with them, cos our market loves their cheap goods, and frankly our markets can no longer function without them. Its not even a tertiary issue to this thread, it's an irrelevance really. Wheel out you hobby horses in threads they actually belong to please. Now, if you're saying why do we deal with them at all because...blah, blah, then fair enough. I've explained that, we deal with them because we have to now.
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stray
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Edited Jan 13, 2010, 13:51
Re: About time!
Jan 13, 2010, 13:51
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Christ man, get a copy of the Communist Manifesto and read it ffs! it's not that long really. Quoting wiki ? hahahah. Then read the economic section of Maos red book.
Edit : I'm not a communist, but I do actually know what communism is.
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